Talk:Hannibal Rising (film)

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"Although IMDb had reported that Anthony Hopkins would provide voice over narration for the film, it was later reported to be false.'

I cannot find a source anywhere. Literally every where I have read, it lists Hopkins as voicing in this movie. What's the source?

Where'd you find out that it was false?

I saw a prescreening in early december, and there was no Hopkins voice over.

Contents 1 Historical errors 2 Food Channel 3 5th Hannibal Movie? 4 The Song in Hannibal 5 Not a prequel to "Manhunter" 6 Dog 7 Ulliel vs Hopkins 8 commercial success 9 Revision

[edit] Historical errors

Firstly in USSR they would never leave an abandon house like that in the forest it would´ve been burnt down and erased. Why? The wanted to controll the population, not leaving hiding places in the woods, farmers where put into kolchos/sovchos on the country side to gain controll of them. As for a French citizen walking around freely during the 1950ies-1960ies in Lithuanian SSR? I doubt that seriously, especially someone who escaped from USSR earlier. RGDS Alexmcfire

[edit] Food Channel

Anyone know the source for the allegation about the 'Food Channel' refusing to air ads for the film? -Grammaticus Repairo 06:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

"Now we're gonna season the sweetbreads with four cloves of garlic and three ounces of red wine..." LOL! I have no idea. In a way it would make sense because the movie does depict cannibalism. Doesn't want to give people ideas I guess... --Majinvegeta 07:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 5th Hannibal Movie?

The article says:

Hannibal Rising (2007) is the fifth film about Dr. Hannibal Lecter. A prequel to Red Dragon, The Silence of the Lambs, and Hannibal

but isn't it the 4th? there's only three others listed. 208.251.68.76 20:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

There's also Manhunter, which while not featuring Hopkins, was still based on a Hannibal book.--CyberGhostface 20:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Just to note, as the article points out, Manhunter was also an adaptation of Red Dragon 69.209.144.242 09:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)TheRoyalWe

[edit] The Song in Hannibal

Several times in Rising, a children's song is used which the Nazi aparently sang when they were killing Misha. At one point, after decapitating the Nazi which he had tied to a tree, Hannibal quotes a portion of the song saying "... indeed". Does anyone know what this line from the song that was quoted means? It has been driving me crazy since I saw it. One little subtitle would have been nice. 69.209.144.242 09:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)TheRoyalWe

According to the book, the song was a favorite of Mischa. When Hannibal was interrogating/torturing the man he forced him to sing the song to prolong his life. The song lyrics can be found at: [1] and [2]. 66.41.165.38 02:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

From what I've been able to find out, the song is called Ein Mannlein steht im Walde.

The lyrics in German are:

Ein Mannlein steht im Walde ganz still und stumm, Es hat von lauter Purpur ein Mantlein um, Sagt, wer mag das Mannlein sein. Das da steht im Walde allein, Mit dem purporroten Mantelein.

Roughly translated, it's saying a boy stands in the forest silently wearing a purple coat. So when Hannibal kills the man and gets blood on him, he says 'little purple coat, indeed.' The poem was added to Hansel and Gretel the play or something like that.

[edit] Not a prequel to "Manhunter"

The way the article is currently written is best.

It acknowledges that it's the fifth Lecter film yet it goes on to establish the connection to the Hopkins films. It can't be a prequel to both films and since we all know that Ulliel based his performance on Hopkins it can't be said that it's connected to "Manhunter" in any way cinematically, their only connection is that they're based upon related books but in reality they're no more connected than, say, any two Dracula, Tarzan or Sherlock Holmes productions.GuruAskew 03:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Fine, for the sake of having no edit war and your apparent unconvinceablility (sorry if that's not a word!). I will say, however, that it doesn't mean that it can't be a prequel to Manhunter because Hopkins was Ulliel's performance source (I can't think of a better term, though there probably is one). Harris worked on the film and according to his website Manhunter is an official adaptation. Dr. Hannibal Lecter 21:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

But Manhunter is in a far looser continuity to the rest of the Hopkins series. Its an official adaptation in that its authorized, which is why Harris links it, but its far from faithful to the source material which is why I consider it to be in a seperate canon from all the other films.--CyberGhostface 21:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes, Lecter (or that oh-so-annoying Lecktor) is certainly not a fully (or even a necessarily correctly) developed character in it. He is treated as he is in the book: minor (until later). However, it has many scenes that were removed from Red Dragon (the film) and many scenes were changed from the book and first movie, plus it is Lecter LOADED. It also has many more composite characters and, in my opinion but not necessarily truly correct, quite darker. Red Dragon does have quite a few changes, they just aren't as noticeable as in it (unless you are obsessed with finding them like I am LOL). Dr. Hannibal Lecter 23:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I think we should stick to what Harris has authorized as canonical adaptations. Dr. Hannibal Lecter 23:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

But he hasn't. He's listed it under filmography as its an authorized adaptation, but he's never said Hannibal Rising fits its canon.--CyberGhostface 23:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Dr. Hannibal Lecter 03:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dog

For the trivia section: What kind of dog approaches the young Hannibal when he arrives at his aunts manor hous?--Agrofe 18:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

According to Harris' note after the novel, it is a mastiff in reference to S. T. Coleridge's poem Christabel SkepticalGal (talk) 06:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ulliel vs Hopkins

The article claims that Ulliel "based" his performance on Anthony Hopkin's portrayal of Lector. But in an interview he clearly states otherwise, "I think I didn’t want to try to copy or imitate Anthony Hopkins. I tried to work on my own with some readings and other films. Obviously I knew that the audience would look for some similarities with Anthony Hopkins, so one part of the preparation was to observe Anthony Hopkins. But the idea was more to just pick a few details in his performance and then add it to my own character.” http://movies.about.com/od/hannibalrising/a/hannibalgu12907.htm

[edit] commercial success

The article says "Hannibal Rising was neither a critical or commercial success. It was met with a mostly negative critical response. The film opened at a distant #2 in the United States with $13.4 million, barely one-third of the $33.7 million opening of Norbit [1]." Hmm, any movie which ends up at #2 in the American box-office must be counted as a commercial success. Maybe not if you compare it to the other Hannibal movies, or the one at #1, but if you compare it to every other movie, it's a commercial success. Should this not be mentioned somehow in the article? Bib 13:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Just because it was #2 doesn't mean it was a great commercial success. The success comes from the box-office money. SkittlzAnKomboz 00:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

shouldn't commercial success depend on what it costed to produce the movie and what the movie brought in? If both numbers were available one could figure it out. 142.165.59.39 (talk) 09:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Revision

I intend to work on a revision of this article to deal with the "confusing" tag. Everyone please let me know if this is a problem or if there is something I should worry about with it. SkepticalGal (talk) 06:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)