Talk:Hankuk Academy of Foreign Studies
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This article was nominated for deletion on April 12, 2008. The result of the discussion was Keep. |
I've attempted to clear up some of the problems readers have pointed to in the HAFS page. I AM a teacher at this school - please read my edit before denouncing me for having a conflict of interest. My only interest is in presenting facts in a clear, non-judgmental fashion - I'm neither advertiser nor adversary.
To Mathboychoi: I hope I've removed the bias and the bull - I've tried - which you justifiably complained of. To Pursey: I hope I've removed or clarified most of what was dubious and biased. To Heythatslife: I rather think the originator of this entry got somewhat carried away with himself and started to insert his hopes as facts. I don't at present have the details of our 2007 Grade 3 graduates (the first graduating class) apart from my own students' successes in early applications to K.A.I.S.T. - I don't full results are known yet.
If there are other points about this school that I've omitted, please leave questions or comments for me here. Brifor (talk) 08:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
First, don't use italics everywhere. That's not what they have been created for. -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italics Then, you can't put affirmations like "aggressively seeking increased recognition" without sources. Actually you don't give any sources for what you've written. Finally, the whole article itself is questionable. There are so many high-schools in Korea, there are also several foreign or foreign-oriented ones... if there is not any striking fact about them, they don't deserve an article in Wikipedia. What you wrote is interesting, but not here. That's the wrong place. I suggest you open a blog for your article, or create a topic on a forum like Dave's ESL Café. Hope you'll understand. I'll ask a deletion. -- USERNAME REDACTED 09:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The page is way too biased and full of bull****. Please help keep Wikipedia encyclopedic and non-biased. Mathboychoi 06:52, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Recently, some people have taken to vandalising this page. They stick in ridiculous phrases such as "We love HAFS" and erase the photos which, while a little comedic, is perfectly representative of everything the school is supposed to hold dear, such as freedom of expression and individuality. The writer begs the unknown marauders to stop messing around with the page, and also suggests that they find something perhaps more productive than fooling around on Wikipedia, often referred to as a "life". 125.251.12.2 10:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] to the author of the page
whether he lives a more meaningful, wholsome life than the most of us remains a mystery. Mathboychoi
Please do not impersonate other users. Mathboychoi 13:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Recent Vandalism and Nonsense
I've cleaned up this page a bit, but there is still a lot of dubious information and it still seems very biased. Pursey 05:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I do not think so, sir! Happy As a Fresh Salmon
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The school has not yet produced a graduating class, but the page gives a whole list of schools that the future graduates WISH to attend... I don't mean to degrade the abilities of HAFS students at all, but this is quite ridiculous, to be honest. In fact, the whole entry smells like propaganda, not to mention some messy phrases (e.g. zeal and craftiness of students? Really, it sounds like something taken out of a North Korean publication)Heythatslife 03:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] If someone views this page
Will one plese insert a picture of our grounds in the page? I tried but obviously made a mistake, so if someone puts it up there I'd be very obliged. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Didigo10 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
- Wiki software requires the exact file name including uppercase or lowercase letters. Image:HAFS.JPEG has its file name extension in uppercase letters, so changing from jpeg to JPEG made the picture appear. I added |thumb to make it a reasonable size.
- Someone (Orphanbot) asked a question at Image:HAFS.JPEG. If you know the answer to that question, please write it there. Without an answer, the photograph might be deleted.
Fg2 21:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Comment moved from article
Please note that this current edit has been done by a teacher at the school and contains as much detailed factual information as possible. This is the reason the writer has been able to provide detailed numbers of staff, cost of food, internal problems the school has faced, and other details known only inside the school. English-language source material for substantiation is difficult to come by as almost all reports on the school appear in the vernacular media - help is needed here! And some details cannot be substantiated in print anywhere because they're known only internally.
Nothing in this edit is intended to be an "advertisement" and the writer has done his best to present only fact and detail. Brifor (talk) 07:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
As if. As a student at this school, I find many of your so-called facts biased and filled with slander.Idoversuperego (talk) 04:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hmmm...
To Brifor. If you are really a teacher at this school, may I suggest that you take a little therapy session with your psychologist. I'm sorry, but some of the stuff that you wrote are filled with slander and are nothing more than rude comments. I'm sorry. I cannot find any objectivity in your writing; you also overrate many things as well. For example, yes, the admission sometimes takes a whole day; but it's because there are so many applicants. As for comprehensive exams consisting of 3 essays, well, that's a surprise to me, since I only had to write one essay, and it wasn't that hard. Yes, it was hard, but it's not as hard as you make it to be.
Full scholarship students being popular? Where did you get that information? We don't know who's on scholarship or not. You want more criticism? How about this part; "During 2007, it was a frequent target of politicians who portrayed it as "elitist" in nature, representative of the growing divide between the rich and poor and called for its abolition. Since many of the students come from political, government and diplomatic families, it doesn't seem likely to be in danger." I'm sorry, that was a trend to ALL foreign language high schools in Korea. HAFS was not the only target. Either that or you didn't read the newspaper. Also, as for the last remark, well I'll just ignore that. Many of the students from...what? Okay. What does that gotta do with any danger?
"Problems Fatigue: Students are in their classrooms from 8 a.m. until about 8 p.m. each day (half day on Saturday) with about 1 1/2 hours off for lunch and supper. They then normally study until 2 a.m. in the dorm until their alarms ring at 7 in the morning. Consequently, students are always tired. This is a problem in all schools like this." Uhm...sorry, we don't normally study until 2, and our regular classes end at 5. Where's the evidence that it's a problem in all schools like this? Did you get a statistic somewhere that measured how tired Korean high school students are? If you did, please show me.
"Pedagogy: Most teachers (apart from science teachers and English Conversation teachers) employ the lecture method in the classroom. This leads to loss of attention for the overtired students. By Korean standards, the teachers have heavy course loads and since they still cling to the lecture method they become very tired, as well. This is a widespread problem in Korean schools and not limited to this one. A few of the Korean teachers are experimenting with task-based learning in 2008." Uhm... Okay. Loss of attention? Not really, since we've been trained for 9 years, before coming to this school. Stuff like this is not only necessary, but also can be considered slander.
"Hiring Policies: In 2007, the process was flawed and four native-speaker "Conversation" teachers were not renewed at the end of the year. In 2008, the administration has (timetables permitting) included a native speaker on the hiring panel and the outlook (as of March 2008) looks promising in this area." Show me the evidence, please. Besides, the conversation teachers were not fired because their contracts were not renewed, sorry.
"Many students joke that Hankuk Academy of Foreign Studies should be renamed Hankuk Academy of Fishing Skills. They're referring to the less-than-successful E.B.C. policy discussed above: their parents were led to believe that they would improve their English-language skills by speaking English all the time and everywhere on campus... and this has not happened. "Fishing skills" is a metaphor for "hooking a sucker"." As I said above, stuff like this is unnecessary, and can only be perceived as trying to harm the reputation of HAFS.
In short, you're one biased person with nothing better to do. Please, get a life. Idoversuperego (talk) 10:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Of course that isn't a teacher
I don't know what the chap was trying to do when he/she was trying to claim that he was a schoolteacher- simply mental...
I know...crazy guy...Idoversuperego (talk) 12:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey Idoversuperego, I'm inclined to believe that Brifor is indeed an actual teacher at the school. The "slander" and "rude comments" you mentioned were actually there before Brifor's attempted partial edits. Those negative and unencyclopedic comments were added far before his edits(as you might realize by looking at the history of the article). I would know, since I was a first-year graduate of the school... If you have any questions and/or doubts, contact me on my talk page or something. Mathboychoi (talk) 13:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh...really? Hmmm...okay..thank you:)Idoversuperego (talk) 04:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
