Talk:Hanif Mohammad

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Upped WP Cricket importance to "high". As one of the three or four greatest Pakistani cricketers, and a captain of his country, I think he merits that. JH (talk page) 19:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

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Very POV in my view. For such an important player, this could do with tidying up.

Observations - Whilst I agree it is widely accepted, a direct citation for his standing as one of Pakistan's great players would be useful, as would a direct citation for the reference to the "Little Master" (rather than the reference in a linked page).

IIRC correctly, Hanif was run out trying to pinch the strike for the following morning, thinking he was on 496. When the scorebook was tallied, he found he was on 499. So, the sentence is not quite correct. The rest of the para could be reworded as it is rather florin.

With regard to the Jarman incident, Jarman can only have said in his opinion that in retrospect he felt HM was not out. He could not "admit it", as the umpire's decision is final. That said, I'm not sure the paragraph actually deserves inclusion.

Definitely need a citation for the Reverse Sweep, as Essex folklore tells tales of players using the shot in the early 1900s, throwing doubt on HM inventing it. HM might have been the first to have used it in FCC, of course. The associated reference to Pietersen is not relevant, else you need to list all the other key uses of the stroke.

Lastly, calling all his siblings and off spring fine cricketers is probably true, but again, somewhat POV.

164.36.142.217 11:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The story that I have heard about the 499 is that Hanif knew that he was 499 and wanted to complete the 500 before the close (and there is a dubious version to this story with the twist that Hanif thought that it was the last day of the game !). The only match report that I have seen is in Wisden and IIRC, it does not mention any of these three. As with all legends, we need to be very careful with sourcing it. The reverse sweep thing is completely wrong. The writer was thinking of Mushtaq Mohammad who is sometimes credited as its inventor though it is disputed (Duleepsinhji and Timothy O'Brien are two other "fathers" of the reverse sweep). The little master story is mentioned in the Guha article all the CI and Guha links directly or indirectly corroborates his "greatness" (but it is an insult to him that we need a citation to prove his greatness !) Tintin 13:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Also Hanif Mohammad was not in Birmingham when Lara broke his record. It was in fact his younger brother Mushtaq Mohammed that works in Birmingham who was called up by some media agency, informing him that Lara was about to break his brother's record.

Mushtaq did hurry to Edgbaston, but not sure if he actually saw Lara smash that boundary which took him from 497 to 501. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.134.130 (talk) 11:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)