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[edit] Hanging?

For all I know, I may be quite dumb, but I can't figure out in what sense these "gardens" were "hanging". Actually, the article seems to debate their existance only, and not what they are supposed to have been. 213.64.153.11 15:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

daaaaaaaaa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.248.216.14 (talk) 19:29, August 28, 2007 (UTC) They're called hanging gardens because its name comes from the greek word kremastos which means overhanging. So its not so much as hanging as overhaning, in this case over the terraces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.208.40 (talk) 15:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC) It was slope, like seats in a greek theatres. Haabet 16:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Any modern look-alikes?

These gardens look amazing. Is there anything that exists today that looks anything like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? 64.236.245.243 21:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

have Nebuchadnezzar never physically existed?

Er slopeing Gardens of Babylon a better name?

are a Greek better source end than assyrisk source?

Was there recent findings in Babylon regarding this?


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[edit] Awkward sentence & more info

This opening sentence is awkward:

The Hanging Gardens of Babylon (also known as the Hanging Gardens of Semiramis) and the walls of Babylon were considered one of the Seven Wonders of the World.

Were the gardens and the walls together one wonder or were they two seperate wonders? The sentence doesn't make it clear.

Since this was one of the wonders of the ancient world, shouldn't it have more information? The illustrations are great, but shouldn't we have more descriptions of the gardens themselves? I know this topic is more extensive than what we currently have. I'd write it myself but I am not an expert in this area. User:Frecklefoot

First of all, i think the main question is, did the gardens even exist? The main answer I had gotten was, "maybe", and "yes". The sites that had said "yes" backed it up with info from greek writers, which described the wonder. However, none of the websites have a full blown, 3-d view of the place... I would really like a site, that could show the entire site.

Reply to above: Good luck finding a full blown 3-D view. This is something that disappeared thousands of years ago. The best we can do is Middle Age representations of what they THINK it looked like.

[edit] Lost Glory?

What I would like to know is, if they did exist where we think they did, and were in fact as large and grand as stories tell, then why is there little or no phisical evidence of their having been there at all? In Egypt, for example, people have found remains of structures of similar age, so why do no remains of these gardens exist?


Ever try to knock down a pyramid? Several governments in Egypt have attempted to wipe out Egypt's past, but it's not that easy. In Iraq and most other countries the ecology is constantly degrading structures, however deserts generally preserve them. As far as why haven't they been found yet, keep in mind that none of the Mesopotamian civilizations had been discovered until the Mid-1920's, and since then most Iraqi governments haven't been entirely stable and archaeologist-friendly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.123.76 (talk) 17:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Location

Where in Iraq were they meant to be? Kernow 13:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)</nowiki>

[edit] Image Caption

A 16th century depiction of the Hanging Gardens of Babylon (by Martin Heemskerck). You can see the Tower of Babel in the background. Is it really meant to be the Tower of Babel? I think it's much more likely to be the Minaret of Samarra in the background based on appearance. --NEMT 10:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Medieval and Renaissance Europeans imagined the Tower of Babel with the same spiral design you see in that minaret, sort of the same way they depicted biblical characters in then-modern clothing. They didn't know what these things actually looked like (and weren't really concerned with that anyway), so they painted them in ways they were familiar with. Ştefan 01:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Plagiarism

The following paragraph appears to a simple concatenation of the fifth and sixth paragraphs from http://www.unmuseum.org/hangg.htm.

According to accounts, the gardens were built to cheer up Nebuchadnezzar's homesick wife, Amyitis. Amyitis, daughter of the king of the Medes, was married to Nebuchadnezzar to create an alliance between the nations. The land she came from, though, was green, rugged and mountainous, and she found the flat, sun-baked terrain of the Mesopotamia (a region of southwest Asia) depressing. The king decided to recreate her homeland by building an artificial mountain with rooftop gardens. The Hanging Gardens probably did not really "hang" in the sense of being suspended from cables or ropes. The name comes from an inexact translation of the Greek word kremastos or the Latin word pensilis, which means not just "hanging” but "overhanging," as in the case of a terrace or balcony.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by SoCalAlum (talk • contribs)

This appears to be correct... The paragraphs were added by Abhi madhani (talk · contribs) on 22 November 2004 (see this diff). According to the internet archive the same text has been present at unmuseum.org since at least 8 July 2000. That section should be rewritten as soon as possible. —JeremyA 03:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stubb`d.

I made it a stub because, although it provided some useful information, it did not provide near enough to be considered encyclopedic content. VikedaL

Yeah, this article is in SERIOUS need of attention; there really should be more than this in a 7 Wonders article. I'm really not knowledgeable enough about this to be of much assistance, but I urge those who are to be bold! 85.166.247.218
I am in the process of doing an overhaul of this page so we can remove it from Stubb'd status. However I don't have a large amount of experience with wikipedia so please feel free to lend me advice on the job I do. Nikter 02:04, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there enough information to remove the Stubb'd status now??Nikter 03:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Text not showing up

I've been updating this page with more info, and the latest update seems to have something wrong with it. The code shows my "Other References" Section but the Article is completely missing it. I have done everything I can think of to fix this but it won't display the section.Nikter 02:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Please disregard, I have corrected the issue.Nikter 03:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


Hanging Gardens of Babylon → Hanging Gardens — I would think that one of the original seven wonders of the world wouldn't need to share a disambiguation page with a nice local garden in modern India. Nice as it may be, it's not a 100th as notable as the original. —The Evil Spartan 04:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Support as nom. The Evil Spartan 04:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Support I definitely agree. —METS501 (talk) 04:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose I think it would be better to leave the title of the page the same, and simply place a redirect on the "Hanging Gardens" page, as well as a link on the top of this page for the disambiguation [age. No one ever refers to them simply as the "Hanging Gardens", it is always The Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
  • Might I suggest reading up on WP:DISAMBIG, which says that we don't have a disambig page just because we can. If one is more often used, then we use it. The Evil Spartan 06:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • No you've missed my point altogether. I support that Hanging Gardens should redirect to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon page, but the title of the Hanging Gardens of Babylon page should remain the same, as it is more precise and is the name more commonly used. Shaizakopf 03:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Good call. I'm going to do that, as it appears there's consensus for it. The Evil Spartan 18:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose, I know it as Hanging Gardens of Semiramis which would be more precise. Hanging gardens is too common to be a precise name. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 17:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Support - Agree with nom. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 21:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose I've always heard it as "The Hanging Gardens of Babylon" , like "The Colossus of Rhodes", "The Great Lighthouse of Alexandria", etc. Probably only the Pyramids are more commonly just the Pyramids and not "The Pyramids of Giza", but Pyramid are not those. 132.205.44.5 23:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I don't see the purpose in eliminating the appendage necessary to the name. Reginmund 00:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Unless any of the editors supporting this can show evidence that this is more commonly known as "Hanging Gardens". I have always called it "The Hanging Gardens of Babylon", and I've never heard it referred to as "Hanging Gardens". Crazysuit 17:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 19:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why is it one of the seven wonders of the world?

The article needs to be more clear on why it is one of the seven wonders of the world. -Sox207 21:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


I disagree with the above statement. No one here or anyone alive for that matter named it one of the Seven Wonders of the world. It was named that centuries ago. This section is not about describing why it was named that for that is not covering fact, but more opinion. It is a fact that the Hanging Gardens are consided one of the "Seven wonders of the Ancient world". Explanation as to why it is would belong, in my opinion, in the Seven wonders of the world page.Nikter 23:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image caption -- what's it saying?

The caption of the first image: "Hanging Garden, Assyrian interpretation. note, the perspective not invented. In the front, under this image is a river (not represent or a matter of course in that time). In the left a pipe go the well tower, in the middle a water tower, in the right garden by many fruit trees on a slope by tree pointed vaults and irrigation (on a layer of asphalt). In the front of well tower is a image of the god of water, and on the pipe is a altar by points." Someone who can understand it please make it into proper English? -- 128.148.60.60 13:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm taking it out for now because it reads horrible. It also looks bad having a massive caption like that. I'll leave it in here for now and if any one can actually decipher what it means they can rephrase it and stick it back in the article. sdgjake 15:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Hanging Garden, Assyrian interpretation. note, the perspective not invented. In the front, under this image is a river (not represent or a matter of course in that time). In the left a pipe go the well tower, in the middle a water tower, in the right garden by many fruit trees on a slope by tree pointed vaults and irrigation (on a layer of asphalt). In the front of well tower is a image of the god of water, and on the pipe is a altar by points.

note, the perspective was not invented in that era. In the front, under this image is the river (not represent or a matter of course in that time). In the left side: A pipe go the well tower, in the middle of the image: a water tower, in the right side of the image: A garden by many fruit trees on a slope by tree pointed vaults and irrigation (on a layer of asphalt). In the front of the well tower is a image of the god of water, and on the pipe is a altar by points

better?Haabet 22:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

A: the river (invisible)

B: water pipe (from river to well tower)

C: altar (for God of water)

D: God of water

E: well tower

F: water tower

G: Garden (by bushs and trees, by a layer of asphalt below)

H: Border of the garden

J: vault (three vaults)

K: streams (of water)

[edit] Modern Culture Section

I have been wondering why there isn't a link to Sonic Riders or a similar page due to the fact that a floating Hanging Gardens of Babylon is used as a major plot point (as well as the Babylonians in general). If any other references in modern culture are known, I say we add in a section for it. If not, it might be possible to reference it somewhere else in the article. 210.10.203.47 (talk) 11:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)