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Below is information contributed by members of a hang glider history yahoo mailing list, for which I am most grateful and will use to work further on this article. I have removed a direct link to a potentially-copyrighted image (we can't risk using somebody's copyrighted material) --Robert Merkel

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Group: http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/HangGliderHistory/ Keywords for seaching in Google.com : hang gliding, hanggliding, hangliding, self-soar association, hang glider, Otto Lilienthal, Low & Slow, Jack Lambie, Richard Miller, Soaring Society of America, U.S.H.G.A., United State Hang Gliding Association, United States Hang Glider Association, Joe Faust, Art Bean, Joe Greblo, Windsports, Wind Sports, fliking, selfsoaring, Volmer Jensen, Kitty Hawk, Wright Brothers, Rogallo, flexwing, Domina Jalbert, parawing, paraglider, powered hang glider, John J. Montgomery, Hang Glider Weekly,

Go to: http://home.t-online.de/home/LilienthalMuseum/intro.htm for photo source, a great site.

http://home.t-online.de/home/LilienthalMuseum/f0005.jpg

LINKS:

http://home.t-online.de/home/LilienthalMuseum/intro.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/bio/montgomery/montgomery.htm

Contents 1 Classes 2 Intro 3 Safety 4 Inventor? 5 First flights section 6 History 7 External Links 8 History, take II 9 Costs 10 WikiProject class rating 11 Deleted sentence

[edit] Classes

I believe that paragliders are considered a form of Hang Glider - but the text under the heading of "classes" doesnt acknowledge this fact. Should it be edited?

[edit] Intro

The intro reads like an 8th grader's essay. -- anonymous

I edited the intro to make it more encyclopaedic - I removed 'soar with birds and eagles' and changed 'fly for hundreds of miles' ('miles' is inherently an American distance :-D) to 'fly over great distances' - better, I think, but not quite up to scratch (according to the style manual). Thoughts? -- Jakeleonard 07:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Safety

I've added a comment conserning the importance of proper instruction under Hang Glider Safty.

[edit] Inventor?

I've seen Gertrude Rogallo credited with inventing, c1963. Error? Trekphiler 05:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

To some degree, what the early aviation pioneers such as Otto Lilienthal did was hang-gliding, so you can't attribute any one person with having invented it. --Carnildo 07:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Well couldn't you mention that fact, and then credit (for example) the inventor of the modern hang glider? 12.189.53.103 22:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I left the above. Sorry, wasn't logged in.Applejuicefool 22:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

What a load of rubbish saying that the inventer of the Hang glider can't be determined, have you tried? Mr John Dickenson Invented the Modern Hang glider in 1963, at Grafton, N.S.W. Australia. Dr Rogallo has always maintained that John Dickenson Invented the Hang Glider. The aircraft Otto Lilienthal flew are not connected to modern hang gliders in any way, although they were a type of hang glider. Yours sincerely, Graeme Henderson

I see someone has put in the lie that the Spratt machine with the Control Bar was well known, there is no proof of that. Also Palmer is being bundled in with Dickension again. The Palmer Wing was rubbish compared to the Dickenson Wing ant the Palmer Wing die no lead to the modern hang glider. Wikipedia still shows that it is worthless as a source of information. Graeme Henderson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.100.49.127 (talk) 01:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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The inventor of the patented flexible wing or Rogallo wing are Francis Rogallo & wife Gertrude Rogallo (March 1951). Some people adapted Rogallo flexible wing hang gliders as early as 1961 but had limited performance and control. Later in in 1963 Mr. John Dickenson took NASA's Paresev and Fleep aircraft concept and adapted other existing components such as ski kite swinging seat and control frame into a Rogallo wing to be used as a hang glider. Adapting existing elements for a new purpose qualifies as an invention, so yes, J. Dickenson invented the Modern flexible wing hang glider. See the details at History of hang gliding. BatteryIncluded 18:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First flights section

I deleted the first flights section since it's not very encyclopedic, cites no sources, and is focused solely on India. I'm not convinced that it wasn't just vandalism. If there is to be a section on the beginnings of hangliding in specific countries, more nations should be covered. --CTho 03:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History

As just a casual visitor, it seems to me that the section on history is longer than the 'main article' to which it refers. I think, therefore, history in this article can be pruned by transferring more material across. JMcC 08:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the HG History section has grown to considerable length. One reason was to clear misconceptions on HG evolution. A separate HG History article could be created. BatteryIncluded 17:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

BatteryIncluded. Great work on the HG history! A seperate HG history article has been created: History of flexible wing hang gliding. It would be great, if you felt like it, to move the bulk of your narrative into there. John Bentley 10:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello John. Yes, it makes sense to move the HIstory section to its own page since it grew to a considerable length. I am in the process of finishing several projects at work and will move my residence to the East coast this summer, so I could work at it later this summer. Gerry Farell BatteryIncluded 16:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Gerry. I too have other projects of greater priority ... things may get done in the fullness of time :) All the best. BTW it turns out that Merging and moving pages are different formal concepts under Wiki. I mean't to suggest you (or whoever cares to) merge rather than move :) 59.167.18.248 00:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Moving takes seconds. Merging information takes longer. Glad to work on it later this summer is no one does it first. Gerry 68.115.106.226 04:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

I have removed external links to discussion forums as they are a violation of WP:EL. -- MakeChooChooGoNow 22:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History, take II

This is hardly my area of expertise, and I'm too busy to dive in Wikipedia right now, but anyone who is involved in this page...just an idea. The History of hang gliding article is excellant and indepth, and the Hang gliding article isn't horrible either. However, I find it awkward to be reading the main article, and having NO information under the history section. Perhaps add a couple of paragraph which sumarize the history page? Makes more sense to MEEEEEE. -b 18:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

• You are right. It must have been deleted recently, we are having a few vandals lately. I added a short summary. BatteryIncluded 00:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Costs

I was browsing the page and noticed under the Costs section that the prices were only partially listed in US dollars. I was going to go ahead and add what was listed in Euros to US dollars when I came upon the partial listing of "5-6000 Euros (Approx. $81" and noticed that this was very much incorrect. I hesitated to change the price as I was unsure if someone had the average costs in dollars to these items, which may be better than simply converting what is listed already in Euros to US dollars. I glanced at the last edit of this particular section and it seems someone deleted part of the article. It seems this could have been an act of vandalism. -Levi 06:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 10:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted sentence

I'm cleaning up the intro, since I found it rather difficult to read. I couldn't quite understand what this sentence meant: "Hang gliding and hang gliders form activity and devices that are larger in scope than what is controlled by artificial governing organizations' definitiions as those organizations fulfill certain worthy objectives for large parts of the activity; in particular, F.A.I. and national airspace governing organizations play a large part in what occurs in hang gliding." Perhaps it would make more sense if I knew more about hang gliding than what I've read in books? If anyone knows what it means, please fix it up and add it back. AdinaBob (talk) 19:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)