Talk:Handball (disambiguation)

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[edit] Disambiguation

Exactly how popular is this American handball? I'm thinking we don't need a crude disambiguation page when the Olympic sport is mostly referenced instead. A Handball (disambiguation) page could be created instead, or we could just add a note at the top of handball (that includes content now at team handball) saying:

This article is about the Olympic sport. See also: American handball.

--Joy [shallot] 11:56, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

After reviewing the links once again and seeing that there are no objections, I did that. --Joy [shallot] 14:26, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Is team handball really that popular? I've only heard it associated with the Olympics. American Handball, I believe, is played everywhere Raquetball is played; it's not as popular as that sport anymore, unfortunately. Ah, well. I used to play handball but can't find a game anymore, so perhaps it is on the verge of dead. IMO field handball seems like a crude copy of soccer, and I don't really see the point. - justfred (22 January 2005)

Judging by the number and quality of links pointing to this page, it's not necessarily "popular" per se, but it is much more popular than any other handball out there. In other words - if someone looks for "handball", chances are that they are looking for this one, and the rest are on the disambiguation page (which is the first link of the article). --Joy [shallot] 20:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

03:39, 24 April 2006 Niteowlneils m (moved Handball (disambiguation) to Handball: Too many uses of "handball" for any given one to get primary disambiguation)

22:23, 4 June 2006 Joy m (moved Handball to Handball (disambiguation): moved back, the previous move was not substantiated on talk, and IMHO is wrong because team handball is by far the most popular and known and primary)

I agree with this change. I had spent a couple of hours removing links to the old disambiguation page, all bar one of which should have gone to the handball page. We now have a much neater solution, with a proper disambiguation page here, and the links all going to the page intended. LeeG 23:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I just changed it back. Handball points here now. It is true that most of the links to handball should go to team handball, but not all of them: I have just changed about 25 articles to point directly to American handball rather than to handball (until recently, these linked incorrectly to team handball). Most of the 400 odd that are left should point to team handball, and hopefully instead of changing them all we can just point handball to team handball again. But before that happens, the rest of the handball links which should point other places need to be fixed. There are probably a couple left which should point to American handball, and more than a few which refer to soccer or rugby. Rracecarr 17:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I just reverted the change by 129.142.71.166, and made handball point here again, rather than to team handball. I still think there are some links to handball which don't refer to team handball. Rracecarr 21:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

So; lets get working (myself included) on correcting the links and go for the move.-Catneven 08:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Especially since -team- handball is just not the name of the sport described on that page.

American handball is just not the name of the sport described on that page. Adjectives are necessary for clarity. In my opinion it is not time yet to redirect handball to team handball. The very first link to handball I happened to check just now, Michael Long, should not go to team handball. Until all the false links are fixed, it makes sense to link to the disambig page, and let the user decide which is appropriate. Rracecarr 19:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I actually already changed the redirect before I popsted on the talk page:-s I stick with your opinion on the move for now. The links should first be fixed at least. About the naming convention; I still think we should use olympic naming for all olympic sports. which means -team-handball should be named handball. When I talk about the actual name of the sport, I assume a world audience. Just like American football may not be known as such in the USA, it is called just that by the fast majority of earth citizens. I think the same should go for the lesser visible sports....-Catneven 00:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I see your point. Maybe Team handball could be moved to Handball (Olympic sport), sort of in line with the naming of the Football (soccer) article. Rracecarr 13:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pachuco

Someone added this, does not seem encyclopedic to me:

* Pachuco - a handball game played by elementary and middle school students where a small blue ball is thrown against a wall and must be caught by any other player. if it is dropped the player who incurred the infraction gets punched and kicked until he touches the wall with any part of his body. This is a real game! It was popular in the north-east san fernando valley and every school had a couple of kids who played it.