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Contents 1 Simply an alternate spelling 2 Remove "in fiction"? 3 "Hand Cannon" as slang usage for small shotgun? 4 Use in "Desperado" film

[edit] Simply an alternate spelling

GONNE, which can be used interchangably with GUNNE, is not a seperate class or type of firearm, both are simply middle english spelling variations of the word GUN. The article should be reduced to an etymological reference in the main article of the history of firearms.

If you have valid sources to back up your claim, then go ahead and recommend a merge or deletion, or if you think this article is salvageable, edit it appropriately (meaning: in the body of the article). Placing a sweeping statement of fact about the subject at the top of and separate from the article, especially one that purports to overrule the entire article, does not follow Wikipedia's standards. Mbarbier 01:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair point.

"As swifte as pelet out of gonne
When fire is in the poudre ronne." - Chaucer "House of Fame" c. 1380

I believe all would agree there should not be an entry for "poudre" as a unique form of combustable material used to fire shot in early firearms, the word "gonne" does not deserve it's own entry as a class of firearm. It is simply a middle english spelling of the word "gun". Following are three sources that cite the word "gonne" as an early spelling of the word "gun". I would say this is a fair article on early hand cannons and as such should be kept, however renamed "Hand Cannon" and all further instances of the word "gonne" removed or changed to reflect modern terminology, except a single etymological reference.

I would like to see the page numbers from Partington's book refrenced as well. I have this book and would like to see how the author of the article came to think that "gonne" was a distinct type of firearm rather than an alternate spelling of gun.

1. Greener, W.W. (1910). The Gun and it's Development. 9th ed. New york: Cassell and Company, Ltd. pp. 18-20
2. Kelly, Jack. (2004). Gunpowder Alchemy, Bombards & Pyrotechnics: The History of the Explosive that Changed the World. New York: Basic Books. pp. 31. ISBN 0-465-03718-6.
3. Hall, Bert S. (1997). Weapons and Warfare in Renaissance Europe. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press. pp. 44. ISBN 0-8018-5531-4
DFortini 01:22, 3 Jul 07 (EDT)

Page editted, title of article needs to be changed to "Hand Cannon" How does one change the article title? DFortini 21:29, 3 Jul 07 (EDT)

Heh, good question. I'll look into it.Mbarbier 01:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Page has been moved. There's a hell of a long list of pages that pointed to the old page that should probably be checked over time and any necessary corrections made on. Whether you're up to such a tedious task is your call. Thanks for cooperating, though.Mbarbier 01:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

More than happy to help out, if you send me a link as to how to go about changing the other pages pointers I'll get on fixing them. Thanks DFortini 21:11, 6 Jul 07 (EDT)

Figured it out, will work on making the changes DFortini 21:19, 6 Jul 07 (EDT)

[edit] Remove "in fiction"?

Terry Pratchett is great, and I happen to think his writing will stand the test of time. But now that this isn't an article on "gonne" ... . --151.203.45.53 00:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Hand Cannon" as slang usage for small shotgun?

Anyone care to make an appropriate link or reference? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.200.183.10 (talk) 15:26, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use in "Desperado" film

In an early part of the movie, the main character uses this. I'm not goot at editing Wiki, so if someone could write this in, that would be cool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.27.42.248 (talk) 04:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)