User talk:Hamada2

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[edit] Better late than never?

[edit] Image licensing

Hello, I notice you uploaded an image that was a collage of other works under pd-self. This is inappropriate - the collage is not the entirety of the work. I have deleted the image - please be careful with images you upload in the future. --Improv 16:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:EgyptdwfwewefwfweTombWall.jpg

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I'm sorry, that was a mistake. I uploaded the same image twice by accident. I put a tag for deletion on this one, thank you. Hamada2 19:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I deleted both photos. I suggest you avoid uploading from bigphoto.com since they have terms that we just cannot abide by. We are not going to pay 100 USD in order to keep watermarks off of images. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 20:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia! Let's talk

Hi Hamada2. You made this edit at the Arab diaspora page. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind explaining how "contested" is more neutral or accurate than "complex relationship" to describe the links between Egyptian and Arab identity. Maybe we could work together on a third alternative agreeable to both of us by discussing it more on the talk page? I welcome your comments at Talk:Arab diaspora. Tiamut 17:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi! You must understand that this identification is contested. But let me explain a few things. Before Nasser almost nobody in Egypt identified as Arab. Even today, most Egyptians mean people from the Arabian Peninsula, Jordan, Iraq etc when they say "Arab". There are some places in Egypt that have "arab" or "el-Arab" as part of its name. This is where the true Arabs, the bedwins, who seldom intermarried with Egyptians were concentrated and many still live there. This doesn't deny those Egyptians who identify as Arab their right to do so. Indeed many do. Actually if you watch Egyptian television, you will find this subject discussed on talk shows with debate panels and things like that. We have to mention that it is contested to be fair and respect everyone's opinion. Thank you for your comments and for the welcome (actually I've been contributing in small doses for a while). Hamada2 00:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Hamada. I appreciate you sharing your personal perspective. I've been to Egypt and have a lot of friends there and my experience of the situation is somewhat different than your own. However, even if all of what you said is true, I'm not sure that it is entirely relevant to an article on the Arab diaspora. The subject of that article in Arabs in the Diaspora and not whether or not Egyptians consider themselves to be Arab or not. There are reliable sources cited in that article that cover the subject of Egyptians Arabs in the diaspora. The Egyptians who don't identify as Arab are not the subject of that article. So I don't think the footnote really belongs there in the first place. People can click on the wikilink to Egyptians and can a fuller coverage of the identity issues there. Thanks for your comments.Tiamut 00:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

See the article says this "Most Arabs of the Americas are of either Lebanese, Syrian or Egyptian extraction". I don't think this is a neutral statement. There is no choice but to mention that many Egyptians would not agree with that. But if we remove that statement, there wouldn't be a problem. There are many reliable sources cited at the identity link also. Thanks. Hamada2 00:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how that sentence is not neutral. It's a fact that most of the Arabs in the Americas are of Lebanese, Syrian or Egyptian extraction. The article does not say that most Egyptians are Arabs. You're reading that into this statement. I don't think it's appropriate to put a note responding to a claim that is not being made. The issue of Egyptian identity is a complex one, best discussed in the article on Egypt and not in an article on the Arab diaspora. Egyptians who do not identify as Arabs, are not Arabs, but they are not the subject of this article.

On a personal note, I have to say further that all of my experiences with Egyptians in real life have indicated that they do consider themselves to be Araba. My uncle is an Egyptian Arab Copt, and while he is prejudiced again Islam, he has no problem with identifying as Arab. He speaks no other language than Arabic, after all. My aunt is also Egyptian Arab and would be mighty pissed if someone questioned her Arab-ness. In conclusion, I think you need to fair here and realize that there are a lot of Egyptians who might be offended by not being called Arab. This debate is not the subject on an article on the Arab diaspora in any case. Tiamut 13:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

But it implies that all of the Egyptians in the Americas are Arabs. Many and many of the Egyptian diaspora do not consider themselves Arab. The article doesn't need to discuss Egyptian identity to respond to the claim that they are "Arab". You put a source that claims many Arabs in the Americas are of Egyptian extraction, someone else put another source questioning the claim that they are Arab. That's fair and neutral. Did you know that in America the Amazigh and the Kurds are classified as Arabs and part of the Arab diaspora? Refer to the US Census. If someone puts that claim in the article, someone else will respond that they are not Arabs. Wikipedia expresses neutrality on controversial topics, not one view. As far as personal notes go, I have to say that I am from a religious Egyptian Muslim family where almost everyone doesn't view themselves as Arab and are offended when they are. The word "Egyptian Arab" in my own ears sounds like an oxymoron. Even Egyptians who believe in the Arab identity acknowledge that Egyptians generally view their ethnicity differently from the Arabs. But personal experiences can't be included in the articles. Hamada2 17:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arabs

Are you sure that we are in agreement? : (

..'cause my view is that Copts (and possibly other Egyptians) ARE NOT Arabs. They can be mentioned, but this should be taken into account (IMHO).

If we truly are in agreement, then I will go ahead with r.v. it back to before (my bad).

...is that your opinion also???

~ Troy 00:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

...ok, so now I see that we have an agreement here. Thanks,

~ Troy 01:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WORK?

What you called work is a couple of trolls who hoaxing. NOT EVERY ONE WHO LIVES IN IRAQ are from the ancient babylonians beside Iraqis is not a ethnic group. this man placed the ethnobox. bye Irqirq 19:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wish to help?

You are good at editing Arab ethnic groups, why not help out here[1]?, thanks in advance Nick10000 11:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry mate, I can't be of assisstance. Hamada2 16:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re. Egyptian people

Thanks for the heads up. Yes, the report was filed correctly since s/he violated 3RR after being warned. I'm sorry to see it's come to this. Perhaps s/he will choose to utilize the talk page should s/he decide to discuss this further. — Zerida 20:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] December 2007

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 HOURS in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for for violating 3RR on Talk:Egyptians. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. nat.utoronto 20:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

If this user was a troublemaker, then you should have been especially wary of the potential for giving him the ammo for a 3RR. Essentially you were edit warring, which is blockable (and is in fact what's cited in the block message). Maybe other remedies should have been tried — an AN/I, page protection — but you bear some blame for letting that situation develop to where it did. Daniel Case (talk) 02:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Egyptians

An article that you have been involved in editing, Egyptians, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Egyptians. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 10:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image source problem with Image:Sherine.jpg

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