Talk:Hampton Roads

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[edit] Largest Harbour?

Doesn't Sydney have the world's largest natural harbo(u)r? Alai 04:51, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, they have the world's largest, but the article refers to Hampton Roads as the world's greatest - I believe it is meant in the context of most use. I Typed For Miles 15:19, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Geography

Actually I'd missed that reference: what I was referring to was, from the "Geography" section:

The water area known as Hampton Roads, world's largest natural harbor

[edit] Harbor Debate

Whereas the article harbor doesn't even mention it as a "contender"... Alai 14:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Seven Cities?

I can see why the Hampton Roads area could be nicknamed The Seven Cites, I have never herd that before. CCrew029

Me neither, but found some on the web [1], [2],

I have lived in four of these so-called "seven cities" in the past 30 years, and this is the first time I have ever heard that phrase. I think it's something that someone from outside the Tidewater (a.k.a. Hampton Roads) area dreamed up. It's certainly not used around here. I suggest removing the phrase "seven cities" from the article. -- BBlackmoor (talk) 04:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[3] Portfolio Weekly - "The Alternative Voice of the Seven Cities" claims:

Editor’s response: First of all, "Hampton Roads" should be taken out in a field somewhere in Suffolk and put out of its misery. True, a lot of people tolerate it as a lukewarm compromise; some people even defend it, although their arguments always seem rooted in a sense of civic duty rather than personal passion. But I’ve never met anyone who actually likes the name. And why would they? It is neither descriptive (unless you happen to be a 17th- century mariner transported here by time machine) nor meaningful to anyone outside of this region. Moreover, it lacks any kind of aural resonance.

"Tidewater" is OK, although to my mind it sounds too much like "backwater."

The Seven Cities, by contrast, sounds almost mythical. The point is not that the region stops at the boundaries of these cities – only that they represent its core. Other cities and counties can still be considered part of the Seven Cities region – and very important parts at that.

Still, we don’t take these concerns lightly. In the interest of inclusiveness, perhaps we should simply amend the name as follows: "The Alternative Voice of the Seven Cities and Outlying Municipalities and Counties That Are Part of the Officially Designated Metropolitan Statistical Area, Including But Not Limited To Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Chesapeake, Portsmouth, Suffolk, Newport News, Hampton, Williamsburg, Poquoson, Zuni and Ivor.

Then again, we could make it really easy and accept the name the rest of the world already uses: NORFOLK.

Are we really having this discussion? I've lived in Hampton roads all my life, and I've certainly heard of the term "Seven cities" plenty of times. I can promise you that Seven cities is used, though not as often as Hampton Roads. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 23:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC MSA article

No My vote is no. I think that having the Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC MSA as a separate article is correct, mostly because it includes outlying areas which do not consider themselves part of Hampton Roads, nor does anyone else.
NO Such a suggestion is totally inconsistent with WP structure in other Project Virginia articles. Vaoverland 12:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
NO The areas are distinct to many/most Virginians. CsikosLo 13:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] revise lead, request consideration as WP Good Article

I reworked the lead section with a goal of balancing descriptions of the the water and land areas, adding some major current and historic aspects. All content removed (ie nicknames, etc.) from lead was added in other sections. I also have requested this article be considered for Good Article status. Mark in the Historic Triangle Vaoverland 06:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

This is a good article. I just took out some vandalism ("if you still call it Tidewater, you must be over 70"). CsikosLo 13:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Transportation

I realize that some of text of the the lead section of this article is repeated (and expanded slightly) in the lead of the Transportation sub-section. IMHO, we are quickly approaching the size where it will be appropriate to spin out much of the transportation details into their own separate WP article (i.e. Transportation in Hampton Roads). So, please bear with the repetition (for now, anyway). Vaoverland 12:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rename article to Hampton Roads, Virgina

Most articles I see about towns and cities in the US have a comma and the state as part of the article itself. Jon

Hampton Roads is neither a town nor a city. It is a region, in the style of the San Francisco Bay Area, the Inland Empire, etc. faithless (speak) 08:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I believe it is fine as it is; there is no need to disambig further, as there is no other Hampton Roads. Many articles in WP Virginia link here; please do not rename Mark in Historic Triangle 12:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Mark. Many books and references use the term Hampton Roads without any further mention. Do a google and most references will not use the style Hampton Roads, Virginia. I do not think there is a need for a name change unless there is some confusion with another article. VirginiaProp 15:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Mark. The comma and state is only necessary if there are multiple places with the same name and we need to differentiate. To my knowledge, there is no other place named Hampton Roads.--Kubigula (talk) 13:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
If there were any others, it should be Hampton Roads (Virginia). Obviously, there isn't. And it shouldn't be Hampton Roads, Virginia as it isn't a city. Hampton Roads is an informal designation, and not at all "official." Therefore, Hampton Roads is the way it ought to be. Sorry if my previous comment was a little ambiguous. faithless (speak) 13:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hampton Roads is a channel between Hampton and Norfolk,Virginia nothing more. To call this area "Hampton Roads" is too confusing. It was a marketing ploy for the area. This area is known now and before as "Tidewater". All of the locals know it as such, mariners know it as Tidewater, Virginia. Do not be mistaken.

There was an Author that wrote a book, "Civil War History in Hampton Roads" when challenged about the name use of "Hampton Roads", he acknowledged that "Hampton Roads" was a channel between Hampton and Norfolk, but that "Tidewater", which would be and area effected by the the tides was to broad of an area. So even though no other events but waterborne could have taken place in "Hampton Roads", he used the area to promote his book. Afterall, those of us that live here are not in a channel or underwater.

Additionally, I believe it was in 1905 Hampton Roads expedition evemt was held off the coast of the Navel Station Norfolk by the "Great White Fleet". Many events were held on the land in honor of this. Some in the area refer to this event as the start of using the name "Hampton Roads". But what is known is that the fleet was anchored in "Hampton Roads", the name of the channel. The area is known as Tidewater and will be continued to be referred to as such.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.146.55 (talk • contribs)

I disagree. Hampton Roads has become the more common name for the area among people who live here. For example, the local TV stations[4] [5] refer to it as Hampton Roads. "Tidewater" is used too, but "Hampton Roads" is clearly becoming the more common designation for people who live here.--Kubigula (talk) 18:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Transportation

I don't know if it's been fixed, but this comment of mine got deleted regarding the ODU Maglev project:

That maglev project at ODU is defunct. The project collapsed after the university stopped funding it after they couldn't repair the engineering design fault. --RWilliamKing 06:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

See

--RWilliamKing (talk) 16:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)