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[edit] How About A Picture
what does ths Hammond Organ look like? I wouldn't know looking at this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.30.149.90 (talk) 06:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC) [Modified to remove pointless profanity and invective in an otherwise valid point. Note to author of comment: insulting people is usually a *bad* way to get what you want. -Fenevad 13:30, 14 November 2007 (UTC)]
[edit] Merger completed
After ages and ages of silence, I have merged this page and the B3 page, however, this article still needs some work to reduce redundancies.
[edit] Copyright issues
Much of this text is taken from the linked Wiki page -- do you have permission from the copyright owner(s) to do this?
I see that HammondWiki is under the Open Content License: is this compatible with the GFDL?
Technically, we can't even use GFDL-licensed text without paying attention to credits and changes, and the OPL is even more specific. We can use the text, but we must cite its source and note the fact that it has been modified. --LDC
RMS doesn't seem to think the OpenContent License is even a free documentation license at all: "This license does not qualify as free, because there are restrictions on charging money for copies. We recommend you not use this license" (source: Comments on the OpenContent License).
The OPL does place restrictions on the use of the text. But Wikipedia's use doesn't violate them, so I'm restoring it. However, I included a notice that other uses of this text may not be as free as use of Wikipedia text in general. If someone else trips on that, that's their problem. --LDC
Note: the HammondWiki material is licenced under the OPL, which is incompatible with the GFDL, and so cannot be copied here, except by the original contributors of that material. The Wikipedia submit form explicity requires submissions to be GFDL-licenced, which cannot be done without violating the OPL. The Anome 10:48 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)
The licensing tags for the two pictures of organs is incorrect - the images are tagged as "currency". Does the uploader know what the correct tags should be? Otterhound 03:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Article name
Shouldn't the article name be Hammond organ?
[edit] Key click
I believe that the key click was not originally a defect. It was purposely added in about the 3rd generation of organs to add attack to the sound.
- Hi, this is a subject for electric repair/modification specialists. Though I am not one, organ repairer Paul Doerr, of ORGANized SERVICES has penned a little document entitled Key Click in Organs. He says that "Key click in organs is the percussive sound in the speaker that occurs at the moment when a movable key contact meets a stationary key contact or bussbar while a key is being depressed. That sound may be a single sudden audio spike, or a series of audio spikes as the contact bounces on the bussbar before coming to rest and achieving good electrical continuity." Doerr goes on to say that "Key click occurs randomly because, if there is zero voltage on the signal at the moment of contact, there will be no extraneous signal transients caused by contact bounce. The higher the instantaneous voltage at the moment of contact bounce, the higher will be the amplitude of the transients; therefore the higher the audio volume of the key click." Doerr says that "Many organs, including most if not all of the early Hammond Organs, use direct audio keying and are therefore subject to key click." For Doerr's webpage, where the full text is available, see http://www.organizedservices.com/keyclick.htmNazamo 20:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Categories
I've put this into category:electronic music instruments as it seems the best fit, but category:amplified instruments is another possibility. It seems silly to create a special category:electric musical instruments as AFAIK this will be the only article to belong in it, and not in these existing two categories. But that's really where this article belongs; The Hammond is neither electronic nor amplified, strictly speaking, it's purely electric. I'm very interested in other views. Andrewa 20:57, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hammond tonewheel organs are not electronic because they don't use microchips, but they are certainly amplified, despite the above comment. Every Hammond organ requires an amplifier in order to make sound. No acoustic sound emanates from a Hammond organ, it's an amplified elecro-mechanical sound, and therefore category:amplified instruments is the perfect category.Mr Pillows (talk) 08:16, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sound Clip
The Hammond is a very distinct sound. Once you hear it once, you hear it everywhere. However, this article is lacking a sound sample! I'm sure I could find a sample of a Hammond out there somewhere, but I'd be afraid of the copyright ramifications. Is there a generic source for free sound samples? I did find this site, and I suspect that the owner of the samples would be okay with letting them go. But I'd rather someone with a bit more experience with rights-clearing handle it. http://www.rimboy.com/hammond/ The Leslie Speaker article might benefit, too. Especially if you can find a sample both with and without the spinning speaker. --Mdwyer 01:35, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Inconsistent dates
At one point the article states: "The last production lot of motorized organs was produced in 1975, although a few were assembled from spare parts in 1976." but then later we have: "Though the last analog Hammond organ came off the assembly line in 1974..." I don't think both of these can be correct, so this needs to be fixed, but I don't know which date is correct. Osmodiar 10:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
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You should also include that Suzuki bought the Hammond name and restarted making organs in the early 1990s, as well as organ synth modules like the XM-1. They've established a full line of products including Leslies. All are synth based.
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[edit] New Section: History
I've done some reasearch and collated the following information about the history of the Hammond Organ. What do you think I should do with it? I could start a new page and link it from the Hammond Organ page, or I could put it on the main page, or I could cut down the amount of information and put a summary on the main page:
| Year | Model Introduced | Sound Generation | Keys |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1900 | B-3 | Tonewheel | 2x61 |
| 1934 | Patent filed 19th January | ||
| 1935 | Hammond Organ officially unveiled to the public 15th April | ||
| Model A (June) | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 | |
| Model AB | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 | |
| 1936 | Model BC (December) | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 |
| 1937 | Model E | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 |
| 1939 | D series (June) (D100, D152, D155) | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 |
| 1939 | Model C (September) | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 |
| Models C2 and C2G | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 | |
| From 1939 on, artificial reverberation was available for Hammond organs. | |||
| 1948 | M series (M100, M101, M102, M103, M111) | Tonewheel | 2 x 44 |
| 1949 | Model RT | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 |
| Model B2 | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 | |
| Model RT2 | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 | |
| 1950 | Hammond Chord Organ (S6-s?) | Tonewheel | 37 |
| Model M2 | Tonewheel | 2 x 44 | |
| 1955 | Model B3 | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 |
| Model C3 and C3G | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 | |
| Model M3 | Tonewheel | 2 x 44 | |
| Model RT3 | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 | |
| 1959 | A100 series (A100, A101, A102, A105, A122, A143) | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 |
| 1960 | M3 series | Tonewheel | 2 x 44 |
| F100 series "Extravoice" | 1 x 52 | ||
| 1961 | L100 series (L100, L101, L102, L122, L122F) (spinet) | Tonewheel | 2 x 44 |
| Model M100 | ??? | 2 x 44 | |
| 1963 | Model D100 | ||
| Model 2000 (electronic spinet) | Electronic | ||
| Model 3000 "Hammond Electronic Spinet" | Electronic | ||
| 1965 | E100 series (E100, E262, E300) | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 |
| H100 series (H111, H122) | Tonewheel | ||
| K100 series | Electronic | ||
| 1966 | Model J100 (all-transistor spinet) | Electronic | 2 x 44 |
| Model J200 | Electronic | 2 x 44 | |
| 1967 | T series (T100, T200, T211, T262, T400, T500, T582) | Electronic | 2 x 44 |
| Model X66 | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 | |
| N series (N100, N300) | Electronic | 2 x 44 | |
| J300 series | Electronic | 2 x 44 | |
| M101-A series | ??? | 2 x 44 | |
| 1968 | E200 series | Tonewheel | 2 x 61 |
| 1969 | Model HX100 | ||
| H300 series (H324) | |||
| L100-1 series | Tonewheel | 2 x 44 | |
| L100-2 series | Tonewheel | 2 x 44 | |
| 1970 | J400-series | Electronic | 2 x 44 |
| L200-series | Tonewheel | 2 x 44 | |
| 1971 | X77 | ||
| LP-100 | |||
| J500-series | Electronic | 2 x 44 | |
| 1972 | "Phoenix" (all tab spinet) | ||
| 1973 | "Concorde" (2100) | Electronic | 2 x 61 |
| "Regent" (4000) | Electronic | ||
| "Maverick" (5100) | Electronic | ||
| "Sounder" (???) | Electronic | ||
| 1975 | "Aurora" (8200) spinet | Electronic | 2 x 44 |
| "Dolphin" spinet | |||
| 1978 | X-2 | Electronic | 1 x 49 |
| B3000 | Electronic | 2 x 61 | |
| 1980 | "Elegant" | Electronic | |
| B200 | Electronic | 49 + 44 | |
| ??? | B100 | 1 x 61 | |
| ??? | B250 | 2 x 61 | |
| ??? | B300 | 49 + 44 | |
| 1981 | Model 810 (spinet) | Electronic | |
| Model 820 (console) | Electronic | ||
| 1982 | "Composer" series | Electronic | |
| 1984 | B400 | Electronic | 2 x 44 |
| 1986 | "Super-B" | Electronic | |
| SX-1 | Electronic | 2 x 61 | |
| CX-1 | Electronic | 2 x 49 | |
| 1987 SX-1E | Electronic | 2 x 61 | |
| CX-1E | Electronic | 2 x 49 | |
| 1988 SX-2000 | Electronic | 2 x 61 | |
| CX-2000 | Electronic | 2 x 49 | |
| SX-2000E | Electronic | 2 x 61 | |
| CX-2000E | Electronic | 2 x 49 | |
| Models EX700, EX1000 and EX2000 | Electronic | 2 x 61 | |
| 1990 Models SX2500 and EX2500 | Electronic | 2 x 61 | |
| Models SX2500E and EX2500E | Electronic | 2 x 61 | |
| 1991 | Models 725 and 825 | Electronic | |
| Model XB2 | Electronic | 1 x 61 | |
| 1992 | Model EX800E | Electronic | |
| Model EX2000B | Electronic | ||
| 1993 | Model XB5 | Electronic | |
| 1994 | Model XB3 | Electronic | |
| 1995 | Model XC3 | Electronic | |
| 1996 | Model 926 | Electronic | |
| Model XB-2 version 2.0 | Electronic | 1 x 61 | |
| Models SX3000E and CX3000E | Electronic | ||
| 1997 | Model XM-1 (module) and XM-c1 (controller) | Electronic | None |
| 1998 | Model XB1 | Electronic | 1 x 61 |
| Models XT100 and XH200 | Electronic | ||
| 1999 | Model XH200SP | Electronic | |
| Model XK2 | Electronic | 1 x 61 | |
| 2001 | Model XE2 | Electronic | 1 x 61 |
| 2002 | Model B3 reintroduced ("The New B3") | Electronic | 2 x 61 |
| Model XE200 | Electronic | ||
| 2003 | Model B3 (portable) | Electronic | 2 x 61 |
| 2004 | Model XK3 | Electronic | 1 x 61 |
| Model XE200se | Electronic | ||
| 2005 | Model XL3 (lower manual) | None | 1 x 61 |
| "Ultimo" | Electronic | ||
| Model M44 (spinet) | Electronic |
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by NostinAdrek (talk • contribs) 13:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
- I think it would be great in an article of its own. But it needs sources. Where did you get this information? Andrewa 05:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Andrewa: Hmmm. All over the internet, and I didn't collect sources. I will look into this again, and list the sources. I guess this has to do with verifiability. NostinAdrek 14:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wrong Patent Number
Patent number is wrong.
I went to www.pat2pdf.org, and downloaded the patent number 1,956,359 as referenced in the article.
However, I got for the correct patent number, and instead of the Hammond, it was for "A Centrifical Governor", Morsbach, et al. I will try to find the actual patent
Davidbrucesmith 21:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] How do you control pitch on the Hammond organ?
The article explains how you alter the timbre of the sound of a Hammond organ, by adjusting the relative "weights" of signals from the different tonewheels.
But how do you change the pitch in order to play tunes? Does each key on the keyboard have its own set of tonewheels? Or what? I'd love to know! It's quite an important element to miss out.
Macboff (talk) 22:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I've made a stab at adding some detail about how the tonewheel outputs get routed to generate the final tones. The most logical place to put it seemed to be at the end of the 'additive synthesis' section
Blueminute (talk) 20:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hammond closure
note: Hammond Organ first closed up in the mid-late 80's, not 1975 as stated. As a former product specialist (Bill Dilks), I was with Hammond in Chicago in '81-'82. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.75.140.101 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 27 October 2007 (Moved from article —Sesquialtera II (talk) 17:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC))
[edit] Clones
Seems to me there's a lot of redundancy between the Clones section and the separate clonewheels article. Woun't it make sense to just have a sentence mentioning the clones and leave the rest to the dedicated article?
Blueminute (talk) 21:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
