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[edit] Removed material

Someone removed the following... if it can be sourced it may be added back. Photouploaded (talk) 01:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

• Hamid Karzai received criticism from the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA), who have stated that they believe the current government has no support in most areas of Afghanistan, and that Taliban are enforcing tribal laws as they were under their rule.^{[citation needed]} Karzai has also received criticism for inviting Taliban into the current government.^{[citation needed]} In addition, Karzai has been criticized for his links and support to the Pashtun ethno-fascist organization Afghan Mellat.^{[citation needed]} More importantly, Karzai has been criticized for his neutral stance on the composition of the hand picked Kabul government which does not justly or proportionally represent the ethnic makeup of the Afghan people - namely, the apparent skew toward non-Pashtun minority groups.^{[citation needed]}

I am fine with it being removed from the article, as I don't know anything about it... I just prefer to move things to the Talk page for sourcing if possible. Photouploaded (talk) 01:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Karzai's brother

Surprised no one has been able to pin down/reference the fact that Karzai's brother, Ahmed Wali, is one of the biggest opium lords in Afghanistan. American and ISAF officials tell you this all the time in Kabul and Afghans also refer to it often. It's the biggest open secret in the country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.132.42.90 (talk) 11:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Open secret/rumor still needs have a source -- Esemono (talk) 10:50, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

And this one rather does pin it down. 81.105.100.178 (talk) 00:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Unocal

The article is here, behind a pay screen. The claim is still disputed of course.--Lopakhin (talk) 01:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Karakul Hat

Is the Karakul Hat's origins and making really necessary in this article on a head of state? If it is, does it really have to be at the top of the page? It makes more sense to have the Karakul hat composition of lamb fetuses on the Karakul hat page... Instead of provoking an "edit war", I thought we should talk about this here... --69.143.105.237 (talk) 17:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

• Agree

• I agree. I don't see how a description of the hat making process adds to this article. Kingturtle (talk) 17:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
• I agree. The hat description does not belong at the inro since the article is about Hamid Karzai. It may be added somewhere else in the relevant section that deals with his favorite style of clothes.--RahulMitrah (talk) 17:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
• I agree. How the hat is made is totally irrelevant. Mentioning that he usually wears a karakul hat is fine but it's superfluous to mention how the hat is made in the introduction. It's kind of like mentioning in the introduction of [Random biography article] that he is usually seen wearing a cap..... which is made of cotton which grows on the cotton plant. Bootini (talk) 23:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

• Disagree

• The Karakul hat is a very old traditional hat worn by all Kings or Emirs in the past, not just in Afghanistan but also in other Asian countries. He wears the hat not to cover his bald head but as a symbol of a "King" figure, not King of Afghanistan but King of his Pashtun people (specifically his Popalzai group).--203.175.65.191 (talk) 18:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
• The hat is his trademark and to erase it would be like lack of a better example, Superman and not talking about his S - crest on his chest. -- Esemono (talk) 05:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Consensus seems to be to add it back in, which I just did. -- Esemono (talk) 12:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)