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The original article here was about the inscription - I've moved that to Halmidi inscription and written a little bit about the village here. Please expand both articles, those who can! -- Arvind 00:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Can somebody explain the statement in the Hindu report on Halmidi inscription, "..the language what can be termed as "Purvada Halegannada" and primitive Kannada with distinctive characteristics resembling those of Tamil.". After all it is only 16 lines long, is it available somewhere transcribed. I'm not quite sure it is Kannada (perhaps it is a northern version of Tamil, what is known as Kotuntamil). Please understand that I'm not claiming that it is Tamil, but the comment in Hindu seems to present an confusing picture. What do they mean by distinctive characteristics resembling those of Tamil?--Aadal 22:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- LOL.. anyway, good to see you've progressed from the 9th ce kavirajamarga and ended up here. keep digging. Sarvagnya 08:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it seems you can not quote or point to a source for the 16 lines. Is it not a fact that Kannada literature (kavirajamaraga) is more than 1000 years behind Tamil literature? Keep deleting Kannada letters and keep adding more words starting with kh, gh, etc - and yet I doubt Kannada will become a sanskritic (indo-aryan) language. The more Kannada it becomes, it essentially becomes Tamil. All I was interested in -was about the statement in Hindu and it seems you are unable to answer except to offer some tangential comments. --Aadal 13:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)--Aadal 15:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
The article that Aadal is pointing to makes three statements -
1. Kannada is considered the oldest language next to Sanskrit, Prakrit, and Tamil.
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- Says who? I mean, how did this two bit journalist calculate the absolute ages of different languages? Or which quack is he quoting?
2. According to linguists, Tamil and Kannada branched off simultaneously from the Dravidian language of South India before the Christian Era.
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- Wrong again. Kannada branched off earlier than Tamil. Also, it was not the Dravidian language, it was 'Proto-Dravidian', which, aadal may be shocked to know, is NOT tamil. And in any case, even a child can see the glaring contradiction in #1 and #2
3. The language is known as "Poorvada Halegannada" (primitive Kannada), with distinctive characteristics resembling those of Tamil.
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- Which Tamil? Tamil of today or the tamil of the ice age?
Its all very well for Aadal to latch on to patent nonsense that has appeared in a reliable source and try to reproduce the nonsense here, but I'm sorry it just doesnt cut it. The Halmidi inscription is extremely well attested and only someone editing in bad faith could use articles written by uninformed idiots to push their case even when they know that it is nonsense. Sarvagnya 20:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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- There is NO point in getting emotional Sarvagnya. I did not create this article nor add the reference sources. I only added the relevant part from one of the sources used by the original writers. About your uncalled for statements, I think I should let you keep deluding yourself. You may be jealous of Tamil's earlier record. Tamil literature goes back more than 1000 years before the Kannada Kavirajamarga. It is a fact that Kannada developed later. I hope you'll be able to see the facts without getting emotional. Similarly Tamil epigraphical evidence, writing etc. also go back several centuries before Kannada and Sanskrit assuming Kannada was the language in some of the writings claimed. It may be a fashion to call, or as an appeasement for Kannada enthusiasts to say that Tamil and Kannada branched off at the same time -no way. And now you have even more specious argument that Kannada branched off earlier than Tamil from Proto-Dravidian. Keep dreaming. For all I can guess what you call hale Kannada could very well be Tamil (though an undeveloped northern form of Tamil known as kodumtamil). --Aadal 20:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Aadal, if every troll had his way, Wikipedia would read more like a delusional's day-dreaming... Praveen 13:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- There is NO point in getting emotional Sarvagnya. I did not create this article nor add the reference sources. I only added the relevant part from one of the sources used by the original writers. About your uncalled for statements, I think I should let you keep deluding yourself. You may be jealous of Tamil's earlier record. Tamil literature goes back more than 1000 years before the Kannada Kavirajamarga. It is a fact that Kannada developed later. I hope you'll be able to see the facts without getting emotional. Similarly Tamil epigraphical evidence, writing etc. also go back several centuries before Kannada and Sanskrit assuming Kannada was the language in some of the writings claimed. It may be a fashion to call, or as an appeasement for Kannada enthusiasts to say that Tamil and Kannada branched off at the same time -no way. And now you have even more specious argument that Kannada branched off earlier than Tamil from Proto-Dravidian. Keep dreaming. For all I can guess what you call hale Kannada could very well be Tamil (though an undeveloped northern form of Tamil known as kodumtamil). --Aadal 20:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Resemblance according to Reference
I reproduce the relevant portion in third reference below.
- However, the etymology of the words "Kannada" and "Karnataka" are still a matter of controversy. Mr. Seetharamiah points out that the inscription found at Halmidi in Belur taluk of Hassan district is dated 450 AD, and it happens to be the earliest known record inscribed in Kannada characters; the language what can be termed as "Purvada Halegannada" and primitive Kannada with distinctive characteristics resembling those of Tamil.
According to the last sentence, the inscription is of Kannada & has distinctively similar characteristics as that of Tamil. Praveen 13:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Moving Meghamitra's comments from Talk:Halmidi\Comments
Halimidi inscription is in hale kannada script and there is no dispute regarding this, but unnecessarily it is being said it resembles tamil. This is not a correct information. the script is hale kannada and language is kannada and there is no dispute regarding this. Why insert tamil in this page it is vanadalism ≥meghamitra 11:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Megamitra, Kannada and Tamil evolved from the same source (souther Proto Dravidian) and their scripts also evolved from Southern Ashokan Brahmi. Hence some similarities in characters are bound to be present. This is neither something for Kannadigas to be alarmed about nor Tamils to be jubiliant about.Dineshkannambadi 11:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
meghamitra 12:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)hale-Kannada script developed during kadamba period. Do you have list of tamil brahmi characters. Let us talk about similarities. tamil brahmi is almost exact replica of Srilankan brahmi , shall we start inserting in every tamil inscription page that it is sinhala. [FYI} Srilankan brahmi inscriptions are older than inscriptions in tamil nadu. Dont talk non-sense. stop saying like the frog in the well. " Is your Ocean bigger than my well, it cant be "
Sir, you seem to be new to wikipedia. Please keep your emotions under control. Also please read the message posted by User:Sarvagnya on your user talk page about wikipedia rules.ThanksDineshkannambadi 13:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- Megamitra, please do not remove well attested facts. Keep your emotions under control. And I will ignore your misguided comparison (personal attack) for the time being. Praveen 14:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
