Talk:Hallstatt culture

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[edit] What does map mean?

The map apparently shows different shadings for the Halstatt, La Tene, and historic Celtic areas. But this is not clearly explained and which is which remains unclear. Can someone please add a key? BTW, this article is refreshingly superior in writing and scholarly tone. That's in contrast with the chaos of the "Celts" article.Ftjrwrites (talk) 21:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Preceding culture

Article succinctly mentions La Tene as perceived successor to Halstatt, but does not discuss the important issue of origins. Someone with access to appropriate source material should add a balanced entry on this matter, even if it's just a sentence or two. I seem to recall that the consensus is for the Corded Ware Culture, but there are complications with this identification.Ftjrwrites (talk) 21:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Illyria and the The Illyrians, bearers of the Hallstatt culture

Illyria,The Illyrians, bearers of the Hallstatt cultureThe Illyrians, bearers of the Hallstatt culture.Megistias (talk) 16:36, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

it appears the culture reaches into Slovenia (Lower Styria). I was not aware of this. The "Illyrians" are probably supposed to be the bearers of the eastern zone, while the Celts were the bearers of the western zone (of course it wouldn't have been as clear-cut as that in reality). --dab (𒁳) 14:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Many sources say "Encyclopedic Dictionary of Archaeology by Barbara Ann Kipfer,ISBN-10: 0306461587,2000, Page 251,"... Illyria extended from the Danube River southward to the Adriatic Sea and from there eastward to the Sar Mountains. The Illyrians, descendants of the hallstatt culture, were divided into tribes, each a self-governing community with a council of elders and a chosen leader. The last ...""

• descendants of the hallstatt culture, does this mean the hallstatt culture map needs be expanded even more then to Slovenia? This means more of them? Megistias (talk) 19:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

This "Illyrians" thing rests too much on soundbites out of context. "descendants of the Hallstatt culture" is a loose phrasing. We must be clear that "Illyria" is not an archaeological term, but a toponym taken from Greco-Roman ethnography. As ist "Celts" of course, but unlike "Celtic", "Illyrian" isn't a well-defined linguistic term. It is meaningful to ask "does the western Hallstatt culture correspond to Celtic speakers?" It is not meaningful to ask "does the eastern Hallstatt culture correspond to Illyrian speakers?" because we wouldn't know how to identify an "Illyrian speaker" if we met one. Illyrians are simply those peoples which are called "Illyrian" by ancient authors.

I am working on a Hallstatt map, btw. Yes, the green blob in the overview map will need to be expanded a little bit so as to include the upper Drava. dab (𒁳) 10:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

ok, I've uploaded the map as it stands at present. I intend to refine it further. dab (𒁳) 11:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The Hallstatt culture map will simply show the regions in which Hallstatt sites have been identified, yes? Will it follow contours of a relief map, not showing Hallstatt culture at the highest elevations? --Wetman (talk) 11:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

this is asking a bit much. The extent of the Hallstatt culture is informed by the distribution of individual finds. It should properly be a scatter plot of find locations. Good luck compiling that. Sure, high elevations probably won't have been "part" of the "culture", but if we start to leave holes in the distribution map for this, we'd also have to leave out the lakes etc., and we'll be making a stronger claim than warranted for the areas that remain coloured. Instead, we just need to base the map on published maps, and be aware of the intended implications, which is not that every pixel painted red is the location of an actual archaeological find. dab (𒁳) 16:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I just found this useful map, and will try to take it into account. dab (𒁳) 16:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

You're right: that was asking a bit much.--Wetman (talk) 18:14, 2 May 2008 (UTC)