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[edit] GA review

  • The Emmy and a Golden Globe are neither cited in the lead nor in the main body. When one does a uncited WP:LEAD, it is under the assumption that the important claims are all cited in the main body. I see the info in citations elsewhere such as the Geneology ref, but If I only wanted to find out about her Emmy and GG and did not read refs in other sections I would be lost so recite here. Use the name= parameter in ref tags to do so if you can.
  • Y Done Vikrant 14:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Similarly, "She is one of the highest-paid actresses in Hollywood" needs a ref.
  • "Berry has served many years as the face of Revlon cosmetics and was recently named the face of Versace." need refs. Can you say how many years?
    • Y Done Vikrant 15:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
      • That looks like a 2000 source for Revlon. If you could find anything saying if she is still a spokesperson an NY Times search shows her from 1996 to 2002 in articles. I don't know if she is still a spokesperson. Googling "Halle Berry" face of Versace yields a lot of stuff. Can you give us more info with a citation.
        • Y Done Till 2004, I have found pages. Vikrant 14:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
  • The Monster's Ball paragraph could use a citation or two. I would add one after "National Board of Review and the Screen Actors Guild prizes", one after "Academy Award for Best Actress" and one after "Best Actress Academy Award". Of course make sure each is unspaced following a punctuation mark.
  • Y Done Vikrant 14:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • move the first ref to after the punctuation.
    • Y Done Vikrant 14:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I would prefer separately linkable "Cleveland, Ohio." You might try {{city-state}} both in the template and the text.
  • Do you have sources for Miss Ohio USA and Miss Teen All-American claims.
    • Y Done Vikrant 15:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Why aren't Emmy and a Golden Globe in Film Awards and nominations when Introducing Dorothy Dandridge (Winner) is included for other less prominent awards.
  • The source you use for the parents divorce has some interesting things omitted from this article about Berry's relationship with her father and who her father was.
    • Y Done Vikrant 15:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I would go with {{reflist|2}}
    • Y Done Vikrant 15:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
      • No you didn't.
        • Oh! but done it now. Vikrant 15:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Can you convert all citations to {{cite web}} format.
    • GREAT!!!!!!!!
  • I added a {{Failed verification}} tag that you need to work on
    • Y Done Vikrant 15:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
  • What is the source for the sister info.
    • Removed. Vikrant 15:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Use the proper Bedford High School link and add a proper ref to this para.
  • Y Done But no ref found. Vikrant 14:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

This is a start of the review more coming.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 20:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC) P.S. You may feel many of these citations are unnecessary. If so let me know specific ones and we can discuss.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 20:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

O.K. I have sat on this overnight. In general the text needs to be reworked into larger paragraphs or subsectioned. The flow is very choppy as it is. E.g., in Hollywood career, the first three paragraphs all go together under early roles. The next three or four could go together as success and stardom. In addition, the WP:LEAD should be more extensive. I think if you are diligent these changes could all be completed in a week. So I am going to put this on hold.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

  • The only real disappointment in your progress is the WP:LEAD. It stil does not mention her relationships. I guess an article of this length should have at least one sentence in the lead for each of the main sections. This would assuage my fear that nothing is in the lead about her relationships.
    • Y Done All three are now stated. Vikrant 15:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 20:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I am going to have to give you another 7 days or until you notify me to review the article again, whichever comes first. You have made great progress. I am encouraged. Additional needs.

  • Citation in first para of acting career.
    • Y Done Though no source was found for the Charlies Angels line. Vikrant 15:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Look at the {{persondata}} suggestion I left in the automated review.
  • Can you wikilink the media section at all.
    • Y Done Vikrant 15:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Good luck. Keep up the good work.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


GA review (see here for criteria)

This article has come a long way and is an encyclopedic overview.

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    I would still like to see a few more facts cited such as Benet's daughter and fabulous 40-something celebrities.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    You can still improve the article. If she extends her production side role this should be noted. Also, a featured article would need a fourth paragraph in the lead documenting her public incidents such as her accident, her nose comment, her suicide thoughts. The current last para might be expanded with a mention of her finally approaching motherhood herself after thoughts of adoption and such. Add well cited facts as her career continues in whatever direction it may go. I also think a featured article might note her on stage incident with Adam Brody as one of her more memorable public moments. Some might say I am being negligent not demanding its inclusion right now and I encourage its addition ASAP with a proper citation. The text remains a bit choppy in terms of too many small paragraphs. I have made some minor changes to the WP:LEAD.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 14:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3d paragraph in intro

I don't see why the intro needs to set aside the fact of her parent's divorce and her own two divorces in the lead-in: this info appears later in the entry, and this separate paragraph implies that divorce is an especially notable entity in HB's life. What's more, it's placement in the intro implies that the entry is directing the reader to conclude that HB's life has been, in some unspecified way, shaped by divorces, something that an encyclopedia cannot do. Perhaps a priest or psychoanalyst can do this, but I don't think a wikipedia entry should.--Galliaz (talk) 15:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the emphasis isn't ideal; removing most of it for now. Some other celeb articles have paragraphs about their relationships, eg Katie Holmes, but the emphasis is on the media attention. Gimmetrow 06:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Niehter Katie Holmes nor Angelina Jolie nor Eric Bana satisfy WP:LEAD requirements. This one should. Vikrant 15:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikrant Phadkay (talk • contribs)

[edit] Storm Origins?

Hallo, everyone,

I noticed there is a movie mentioned in Berry's filmography called "Storm Origins". I did some googling, but couldn't find anything. Has anyone a reference for this? Otherwise, I suggest we delete it, as it seems like wishful thinking to me. Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 23:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bad Main Image

Why can't we use this image Image:HalleB.jpg as the lead pic instead of that horrible, grainy image? I mean, Halle Berry is recognized as one of the most beautiful women on earth, so why can't we show off more of her skin and figure? Just a thought. 75.41.169.26 (talk) 02:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

See User talk:70.135.8.116. Gimmetrow 02:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Coming to this article for information about her recent childbirth, I feel inclined to answer. We can use the image, just not as the main image, since that would violate Fair Use requirements. While I consent that Berry is a very beautiful woman, I don't think that's grounds enough to use that image of her as the lead. It can go further down the page near the relevant text, though, of course. Cinemaniac (talk • contribs • critique) 01:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I've added the fair use rationale for the use of that image in this article, so I think it'll do just fine. Cinemaniac (talk • contribs • critique) 16:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Daughter

So is her daughter white?--J intela (talk) 22:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

well if halle is mixed race (black/white) then the baby is also mixed race as well, isn't she ! as well as the racial backround of the babies father, what i think you mean is, is the baby light skinned? which we don't know as pictures haven't bein sence of her yet.Veggiegirl (talk) 18:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mother's birthplace

I corrected Berry's mother's birthplace to Ohio. I was already inclined to trust the "family trees" that list her mother as being born in Ohio (i.e. [1]), but Berry herself stated that her mother was born in Ohio during her appearance on Inside the Actors Studio. She also said that her mother's parents and grandparents were from London, which evidently contradicts her previous statement that her mother is a "Liverpudlian" (and the fact that her maternal grandfather was from Ohio, not London), but so it goes... All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 06:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

regarding above text, it is nonesense to state Halle Berry's mother was born in Ohio, it is well known her mother is from Liverpool and this has been the same for Mike Myers (of Shrek) both actors are aware of their parents hometown and their pride of coming from Liverpool. Dmcm2008 (talk) 17:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Brilliant! Berry herself states that her mother was born in Ohio, and you counter with it being "well known" that she was born in England. OK. Anyway, I removed her mother's birthplace from the article. Since Berry has stated that her mother was born in Ohio and on a different occasion that her mother was born in Liverpool, it's clear something's up here. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 21:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nahla Ariela Aubry

1) It seems unlikely that Halle Berry named her daughter after the Northern Alberta Health Libraries Association. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The Cape Code Times was cited for the info, but without a link. I wanted to add a link, so I looked through the archives of the Cape Cod Times but could not find the cited article. Without that article, the info is uncited, so I removed it. 2) As for the baby weight sentence, the cited source, www.nowmagazine.co.uk, bills itself as being about "celebrity gossip, news, fashion and beauty secrets + daily horoscopes". It does not seem a reliable source. Further, information about Berry's weight right after pregnancy is unencyclopedic, unless it has an impact on her career. 3) As for the information about the nurseries, I improved the cite for that by adding a link. Ariadne55 (talk) 12:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] revisit of mothers birthplace

An editor had removed the text and citation of Halle Berry's mother being originally from Liverpool, England. This is an issue for some it appears but the evidence is there that that her mother is Liverpool born, it has been widely acknowledged and citations in two British newspapers appear to be overlooked by editors insisting she is not Liverpool born. Dmcm2008 (talk) 12:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC). Once again, the same user is removing the fact Judith Ann Hawkins is of British origin, Liverpool born. There is no overwhelming proof at present either way but the citations from two top British newspapers are there to see, mother left Liverpool over 40 years ago at time one of the articles was dated. Dmcm2008 (talk) 07:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: All Hallow's Raith - To show I am fair, I have had a look at your first citation there is a pic of Halle Berry can you tell me where the article or video is to show what you say? And I was aware of the Geiniology page but this isn't a perfect world it is can be 'presumed' that her mother was born in Ohio as there would be no evidence to disprove. Why do you think I have added citations of two top British newspapers both say her mother is from Liverpool and furthermore why would they say she is from Liverpool if it were not true? & why say her mother left over 40 years ago (at the time) which would indicate she left in her early twenties and then met Mr Berry and had children?. Dmcm2008 (talk) 10:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Newspapers make mistakes. There appears to be a downloadable version of the Actors Studio episode here - [2]. I really can not add much to this conversation other than repeat that if there are two conflicting versions of her mother's birthplace, I don't see any reason not to just leave it out from the article, since it isn't that important. No one is denying that her mother is of English origin and of roots from Liverpool, this is stated in the article right now. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 18:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I will do more research before coming back to this. But I ask why would it be stated that Ms Berry's mother is from Liverpool when if you say, this is not true? And it is not the case that it isn't that important. If as you say her mother is from Ohio then it makes a mockery of so many journalists etc in the UK reporting her mother as from Liverpool. I disagree it should be removed.Dmcm2008 (talk) 22:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Why would Berry state that her mother was born in Ohio, if it wasn't true? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 04:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)