Talk:Halemaumau Crater

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A fact from Halemaumau Crater appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 24 April 2008.

[edit] Current events

I just cannot get the current events category correct! Help Please Paradiver (talk) 08:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

That category is added by the {{current}} template, I think, but it does not appear to apply to Halema`uma`u crater according to its guidelines; it is for "occasions that many editors (perhaps a hundred or more) edit an article on the same day, as an advisory to editors".

The manual of style has some guidance for writing about current events. Briefly, the advice is to think about how the article will read a year from now and write it so that it won't require too much rewriting. This isn't easy for me, or for more writers, I suspect.

It is good to see the article progress. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 11:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rename Halemaumau crater

Does anyone object to renaming the article "Halemaumau crater"? Please see WP:HIMOS and its talk page for the justification. Walter Siegmund (talk) 11:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes. The okina represents a consonant (present in Hawaiian but not in English), so that omitting it means there's no way of knowing how to pronounce the name. Just redirect from Halemaumau. Awien (talk) 17:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Please be kind enough to share your thoughts on this matter on the WP:HIMOS talk page, if you have an opportunity to do so. Walter Siegmund (talk) 01:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

FYI the proper name is includes the fact of including Crater -- whereby it is upper case -- rather than in the lower case form. When referred to it is referred to in whole content Halema'uma'u Crater. Crater defines the fact that it is a puka (hole) in the ground as opposed to a Pu'u is to a cinder cone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paradiver (talk • contribs) 00:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[1]

GNIS supports capitalizing Crater.[2][3] Walter Siegmund (talk) 01:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

GNIS als uses the correct Unicode encoding for the ʻOkina, which is U+02BB MODIFIER LETTER GLOTTAL STOP (ʻ). WP:HIMOS also uses U+02BB. Would it be appropriate to rename the article Halemaʻumaʻu Crater? --ThT (talk) 19:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that would be better than Halema`uma`u crater. However, I rewrote the guidance of WP:HIMOS to be consistent with my reading of WP:NAME, to wit, "The names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors, and for a general audience over specialists." Please comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Hawaii/Manual_of_Style. Is there an ambiguity with Halemaumau Crater or another justification to make an exception for this article title? Walter Siegmund (talk) 05:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

"English usage is often best determined by consulting works of general reference which deal with the subject and seeing what they use", (WP:UE).[4][5][6] Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1924 Eruptions

Since these were the last explosive eruptions in the Crater prior to this year's activity, should more information about them be added? Lots of good history at the USGS link. (I noticed the short mention under the history section, but it could definitely be expanded, especially since that episode was so well documented.) Farristry (talk) 14:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It is fascinating reading. Walter Siegmund (talk) 15:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)