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[edit] Date of Death
In case anyone is curious, I got the date of death from a recent episode of Hey! Spring of Trivia. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 12:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Wonderful article Feitclub! Simply wonderful. I saw the film about Hachiko years ago and just came across this now. Thank you so very much. perhaps later I will add some links to actual photos of Hachiko during his life and his grave. Thanks again. 172.140.145.18 19:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Fietclub, either the date of death is wrong, or the word 'next' is misleading: "Even after Ueno's death in May 1925, Hachikō returned every day to the station to wait for him, and did so for the next 11 years." - "Hachikō died on March 8, 1935", if Hachikō returned every day till he died, that'd only be the next 9 years 10 months. I'm thinking that the 11 years includes the year that his owner was alive. Suggested reword: Either change 11 to 10, or "Even after Ueno's death in May 1925, Hachikō returned every day to the station to wait for him, and did so for 11 years." The 2nd reword still slightly implies that he visited after his owners death, but doesn't actually state it.
If there is no discussion about this I'll alter 11 to 10 in a couple of weeks. Hapveg - 2007 Aug 19th
altered 11 to 10 Hapveg - 2007 Sept 9th
[edit] Hachiko and the war
Would you say that Hachiko's popularity was directly causally connected to the rising war effort? Or a circumstantial connection? It seems somewhat disingenuous to connect the two considering that a story like Hachiko's has a certain universal appeal to any dog lover, (eg. Man's best friend, etc.). Is there a citation for this statement? Or is it merely the author's opinion. I mean, clearly militarism was on the rise (Manchurian incident in 1932) and all, but can you honestly say that Hachiko's popularity was enlisted for the war effort? Seems like a stretch. . .Especially considering the manner in which Hachiko's statue was so easily scrapped for metal during the war. If Hachiko was so important as a symbol of loyalty then why would the statue be so easily scrapped? It's not like they scrapped the statues around the Byakkotai memorial in Aizu-Wakamatsu, which was much more closely configured as tied to fascism than Hachiko. {Anonymous Comment}
[edit] Citations Needed
I've always liked the story of Hachiko and have been to his statue, but I think this story is thin on citations. 203.213.7.131 00:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- I started one version of this article (which was later merged with another version titled "hachi-ko") by translating it from the japanese version. I doubt you can use Wikipedia itself as a citation, but I'm open to suggestion. adamrice 18:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hidesaburo Ueno
The name, according to the Japanese wikipedia article on the man, is Hidesaburō, not Hidesamurou. The name order, according to the MOS for Japan articles, is given name first. The romanization, also according to the MOS, is to use a macron'd o for the long o. Please leave it be. adamrice 14:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Adamrice!
Please see Ueno Hidesamuroh or [1].
At his stature, his name is represented as the Hidesamuroh. please come to Tokyo Uni.Tokyo Watcher
- Referring me to a page written entirely by you isn't exactly kosher. Nevertheless, if his name really is Hidesamurõ, you might want to correct the article 上野英三郎 adamrice 19:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Oh…Dear Adamrice!!
Please see Tokyo Teikokudaigaku Jinjiroku『東京帝國大學人事録』.Then, you will be able to understand the truth.I want for you to have the stout heart which turns eyes to the truth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tokyo Watcher (talk • contribs) 00:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC).Tokyo Watcher
[edit] Great photo!
The photo of the real hachiko adds so much to this article. Thanks so much for putting it in. He really does look like the dog from the movie about him! The story of hachiko is one that touches dog-lovers and even people who aren't all that fond of dogs. it's like Greyfriars Bobby's story. Everyone loves a faithful and loyal dog. LiPollis 23:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Yakitori......
I constantly hear from Tokyo people that the "loyalty" story is a myth, the truth is the dog was waiting for chicken.
Why not represent this better in Wikipedia?--Sean-Jin 23:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- It's mentioned. No doubt Hachikō eventually came to see the station as his home with a source of food. However, in the beginning, he was a fairly young animal who was immensly attached to his owner. The Professor's family attempted to place him with another family and he kept running away, back to the station. If you've never had an Akita or known one, I guess you might not understand how very loyal they can be. Their very close bond with one person is often a problem for families that can't accomodate this trait. Another famous Akita story is that of Kato, Nicole brown Simpson's dog who stayed by her body for some time, eventually running down the street and leading some people out walking back to the scene of the murder. They knew something was up when they saw the blood on his paws. It's heartbreaking to think of him sitting there nudging his mistress trying to get some response. My neighbors had a japanese akita who was incredibaly attached to my dog, a German Shepherd. Whenever a friend of theirs took care of him during their absence, he would drag them to our house (quite literally) so he could be with our dog. They form sincere and lasting attachments. it's one of the reaosns people admire them.LiPollis 23:52, 17 April
2007 (UTC)
I don't know where to put this reference, but I would like to share a similar case that happens in Futurama ;). Fry is cryogenized, but Fry's dog waits for him until dead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akf-H0OVpLA --87.219.18.161 18:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- There's a general consensus that we should avoid mentioning every media citation of a vaguely Hachiko-like nature. That was in the article before and has been removed. adamrice 00:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pop Culture References
While I dont think it qualifys as trvia (though it comes awfully close), the pop culture references needs to be cleaned up and constructed into an actual paragraph. Say a paragraph dealing with influences on movies, another on television etc. Showers 20:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Unsourced tag removed & request for help in finding a sound file of him barking from that record
Today I removed the tag that claimed this article had NO references. While it could certainly use more references, it has four and a proper reference section which is more than many wikipedia articles. Please do not put inappropriate tags on articles. If you want to see more references for facts in the article, use Google or Google Books. it's more constructive than deleting statements you suspect may not be factual simply due to lack of a cite for each and every sentence.
Hachiko's story touches some people very deeply and there is a tendency to assume that his fame is not deserved or that the facts of his life are hagiography which leads to lots of cite tags on statements. In truth, his story is rather simple and quite similar to a number of other famously faithful dogs. I suspect it is the tone of the article that offends some editors. If that's the case, I suggest they do what they can to tweak it here and there but not gut the article. People searching for info on this famous dog are often children. Please keep that in mind. They want to see his photo, read about his life and how his story still touches people across cultures.
One thing I'd really love to get is a link to the record of him barking. That would be wonderful. I've looked and searched and not come across a file of it. If anyone out there can help, please do. It was broadcast over radio in japan so we know a sound file exists somewhere.LiPollis 03:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC) Updated this post with spelling and format corrections.LiPollis 09:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Yakitori = bias?
It's one thing to say that the comment on Hachiko returning to the station looking for handouts is speculative. It's a very different thing to say that it's biased, and frankly, I don't understand how it can be considered biased. The "some speculate" phrasing is quite delicate, in fact. The idea that Hachiko was looking for handouts the accepted wisdom among everyone I ever met in Tokyo. The accepted wisdom could be wrong, I suppose, but calling something "biased" just because it doesn't fit one's preferred fairytale storyline is, well, at least as biased. What is established is that whether or not he was looking for handouts, he was getting them. adamrice (talk) 18:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see anything wrong with the former version of the article that had a line or two about the yakitori sticks. It was worded as kindly as possible. I think it's reasonable to assume that Hachiko simply came to accept the station as his home. He was able to get food, shelter and affection there. It wasn't a posh life but it was a stable life. How long he remembered the Professor is a question for dog psychologists to answer. I would guess that it was more the routine of going to the station and waiting for that train that stuck in his little doggie mind. Dogs love routines and become very hesitant to change them once established. I don't feel including a brief statement about the chicken handouts is somehow dissing hachiko's memory or besmirching his loyalty to his dead master. However, his story brings out strong emotions. Perhaps we should take a brief poll here and ask how many are opposed to putting those lines back in and how many favor it. I vote in favor.LiPollis (talk) 05:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
