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[edit] When protodeacon elected to the papacy

Does anyone know what happens if the Senior Cardinal Deacon is elected Pope? Does he announce his own election? Does the new Senior Cardinal Deacon announce it (ruining the surprise by simply appearing, as this makes it obvious the previous Senior Cardinal Deacon was elected)? Has this happened before? OCNative 02:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Good thinking...will check this out ASAP.--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk)ContributionsContributions Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 10:14, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

The next senior Cardinal Deacon makes the announcement, having been elevated to Cardinal Protodeacon. Tsk070 01:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

It hapened several times in the past. Following Popes were protodeacons when elected to the papacy:

The election of Leo X (Giovanni Medici) was announced by Cardinal Alessandro Farnese (later Pope Paul III), cardinal-deacon next to Medici in the order of seniority.[7] CarlosPn (talk) January 13, 2008, 19:13 CET


[edit] Non-Cardinal elected

What if a non-Cardinal is elected? Albeit highly unlikely, the formula "Sanctae Romanae Ecclasiae Cardinalem..." would change 68.175.27.35 18:34, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Not possible as cardinals only attend the papal conclave.-- 陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 08:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Still they could elect a non-cardinal - AFAIK strictly speaking they could elect every male unmarried (?) Catholic. This of course would really drag out the procedure, because they would have to find the chosen person and ask him whether he accepts. Still it could happen in theory, therefore it is a reasonable question. I guess, if it were a bishop (the only half-way sort of realistic scenario), the would announce "Sanctae Romanae Ecclasiae Episcopum" and if it were a simple priest "Sanctae Romanae Ecclasiae Sacerdotem", no idea what they would say if (for instance) I were elect. Maybe something like "Sanctae Romanae Ecclasiae hominem pium". But the Vatican likely has formulas for that case in store. -- Jinxo
It is possible for a non-Cardinal to be elected (the only requirements are to be a confirmed male Catholic). However, upon being elected Pope, a non-Cardinal is first elevated to the rank of Cardinal (after being made a priest and/or a bishop if necessary) before assuming the office of Pope, so the formula would not change. Tsk070 00:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
The person elected is not elevated to cardinal, he is elevated to Bishop. 68.175.27.35 05:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Actually

One does have to be a Cardinal, nor raised to become Pope, one simply has to be a Bishop to become Bishop of Rome(Pope). Paul VI got a few votes at the conclave that elected John XXIII.

If the Proto-Deacon is elected, he does not announce himself. Instead, the next senior deacon announces the choice. This happend once, but I'm not for sure when.

[edit] Pius XII'habemus papam

Give announce of election Pius XII. Announce election cardinal Dominioni. Please search in webs and give it on page

Done. :o) Švitrigaila 10:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doubt about the proto deacons

Are we sure that the Habemus Papam was always anounced by the protodeacon? We can search far in the past to find who was the protodeacon when this or that pope was elected, but the procedure of the anouncement may have changed. For example, in Philippe Levillain (editor), The Papacy: An Encyclopedia, Routledge, 2002, 1780 p. ISBN 0-415-93752-3 we can read that the announcement phrase changed and was simplified since Pius XI was elected. Can someone find informations on the subject? Švitrigaila 10:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It is beyond doubt that protodeacons gave the announcment of the election of new Pontiff already in XV century, and it does not seem that this custom has been introduced in that century but much earlier. See Francis Burkle-Young: Papal elections in the Fifteenth Century. It is known that the election of Pope Urban VI in 1378 was announced by Cardinal Giacomo Orsini, who was not protodeacon at that time, but was the most senior cardinal-deacon present in the conclave[8]. Also the election of Antipope Clement VII shortly afterwards was announced by senior cardninal-deacon among participants Pierre Flandrin [9]. However, the election of Pope Urban II in 1088 was announced by Pietro Aldobrandini, Cardinal-Bishop of Albano[10], but according to decree "In Nomine Domini" of Pope Nicholas II cardinal-deacons had no electoral rights at that time. CarlosPn (talk) 03:11 p.m. January 7, 2008 (CET)

Thank you very much for all these informations. I think they could be added to the article itself. Švitrigaila (talk) 08:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eastern Catholic

If an Eastern Rite Catholic were elected to the papacy would the part of the Habemus Papam referring the Romanae Ecclasiae be ammended accordingly? If so could this be put in the article?--Captdoc (talk) 18:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)