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[edit] Move page
He is popularly known as "Papaji," not sure why the article is listed this way. I propose we move it to Papaji, with a redirect from his name.... no one would type in "H.W.L. Poonja!" Sethie 22:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
There are many masters who by their disciples are called papaji - it's just a nickname like "daddy". His real name is Poonja, and if you type it in without the complicated h.w.l., you will as well arrive on the article. regards Aki-108 06:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Change: The statements in the "Ambassador " section were somewhat sectarian and questionable to begin with. The reason I removed it altogether is because there were statements made there that were becoming highly partisan at best. The statements written were choosing from Poonja's many contradictory statements in a way that was serving their own point of view, one that is certainly not followed by the overwhelming majority of his disciples and devotees. Poonja made many more statements confirming people's awakening than denying it. Those who are trying to define things otherwise are having to ignore the bulk of Poonja's statements and focus on a few. Better to avoid this ugliness of infighting altogether and remove the section. This page is about Poonjaji himself, not his disciples or what other people or organizations think of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriskrishna (talk • contribs) 04:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear Chriskrishna, You have done a wonderful job of improving the Poonjaji article. It looks so much better than it did before you started work on it! I hope you feel ok about the little additions and changes I just did ... please revert anything you think detracts. There is one sentence in the article which seems a little awkward -- "Ramana pointed out that the only God who is with him continually was the One who had seen the Visions of God, and unlike the God who he saw with his eyes, that One ( Consciousness ) does not come and go." Do you think it could be rephrased a little? I did not want to barge in and try changing it because I was concerned I might lose some part of what you were trying to convey. Alternatively, we could put in a direct quote there. best wishes, (Iddli 09:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC))
Looks good! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriskrishna (talk • contribs) 05:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- Your reworking of that part looks great. Iddli (talk) 05:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Agreed. Removing references to his followers and their controversial claims seems best at this point. For the record, Papaji's statements confirming awakenings are not denied, but are not definitive confirmations of full realization, and based on what is in Godman's book and Papaji's seemingly contradictory, Zen like approach can also be seen as classic tests of egoicity in the disciple, a method of testing which has a long spiritual tradition. Papaji is on record as denying he gave his final teachings to any followers or that any proved worthy to receive them. As it says in Godman's published interviews on this subject: David: “Many people have heard you say, ‘I have not given my final teachings to anyone’. What are these final teachings, and why are you not giving them out?” Papaji: “Nobody is worthy to receive them. Because it has been my experience that everybody has proved to be arrogant and egotistic… I don’t think anyone is worthy to receive them.”--Dseer (talk) 03:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Focus on Papaji
A number of people still consider Poonjaji their spiritual master. Andrew Cohen (spiritual teacher) is among those having experienced shaktipat but later on the two of them split because of personal disagreement.[1]
- ^ Cohen, Andrew Autobiography of An Awakening, Moksha Press (1992) ISBN 0-9622678-4-8
When Luna Tarlo, the mother of Andrew Cohen, met Poonjaji for the first time, he said, pointing at Cohen, "He is my son!" Feb. 1/1990 and May 7/90 she wrote letters to Poonja trying to call upon his responsibility for "his" son, asking him to help Andrew. Neither of her letters were ever answered. Poonjaji had sent her first letter to Andrew with a notation in the margin saying, "Need I answer this?" - "I felt betrayed by Poonja", Tarlo comments. [1]
- ^ Luna Tarlo:"The Mother of God", 1997, Plover Press, ISBN 9781570270437 pages 59, 288-290
This is about Papaji, too.
- Austerlitz -- 88.72.7.243 (talk) 17:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
