Talk:Héctor López

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Good article Héctor López has been listed as one of the Everyday life good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.
An entry from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on August 27, 2007.

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[edit] Needs work

I worked a bit on the intro, but this needs a good deal of work. It jumps around a little chronologically. Also, all of the chatter about what position he played at what time seems trivial and distracting. IMHO.--Epeefleche 03:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The positions may be a bit too much, but it's still important. He was a near full-time infielder who converted to an outfielder to play with Mantle and Maris, and that seems really interesting and quite an unusual trivia fact, and something that should be mentioned. Maybe the text can be modified to not sound as trivial, but I think that bit should stay, nonetheless. Ksy92003(talk) 03:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I'll make a chart. That'll be clearer than prose.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I tried to clean up the language a bit, and to re-order some of the material that did not follow chrono order, but think it still needs work.--Epeefleche 16:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Now it looks choppy. We have to put Humpty Dumpty back together again to get a GA and for the good of the project.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Good luck. I think it has a way to go to get a B rating, to be honest ... needs much editing work. Cheers.--Epeefleche 18:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] GA failed

Great article so far! The prose is very good. I think it is well on its way to GA standard, but but needs some more work. Below is the standard GA assessment template followed by detailed comments. GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

Detailed comments:

  • The lead makes two references to his being "productive" but doesn't really define the term. What does being productive mean in baseball? If it can't be readily defined, I would use a more descriptive term.YesY--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • There is not much biographical information here. The article is a biography and should cover more than just his baseball career to be broad in its coverage. The article jumps right from his birth to 1952, a span of 23 years.
  • There is too much focus on statistics in the career summaries, and I surmise it is because almost all of your sources are statistical in nature. You need to find some secondary sources on other aspects of his career (How was he received by the media? Other players? Managers?).
  • Does the statement that Lopez played the most games in left field really need five citations? rearranged YesY--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --Bloodzombie 03:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

    • In short, I could not do everything asked, but hopefully this is enough to push this over the hump.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

I have now reviewed this article under the six Good article criteria, and have commented in detail on each criterion below:

1 Well written FAIL

1.1 Prose

Although the prose is generally good, flows well and is pleasant to read, there are a couple of issues:

  • López's name is spelt inconsistently throughout the article (sometimes with accents, sometimes without).YesY--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
  • "He (along with Ismael Laguna, Roberto Duran, and Mariano Rivera) continues to be on the tip of the tongue of Panamanians as a legendary world champion who represented the country." Although this is sourced (but see 2 below), it reads as rather unencyclopaedic.
    • I concede that this is only one person, but in this context he is speaking for many. I also happen to know that other Panamanians share this opinion because my father was 1957 Athlete of the Year for the Republic of Panama. I am not sure what to do, but it is a valid statement that is lightly sourced. However, it is not random everyman on the street who we are referencing. It is a national team coach.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
      • Perhaps rewording this would help then - I'll have a think about it & get back to you ;) EyeSereneTALK 16:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
        • Sorry for the delay in getting back to you! OK, how about making the sentence more specific? Something like "In 2006 he was cited by the national team coach as ranking alongside such noted Panamanian sports personalities as Ismael Laguna, Roberto Duran, and Mariano Rivera." Would this fit the bill? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EyeSerene (talk • contribs) 11:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

1.2 Manual of Style

Again, this is mostly good. Just one minor point here:

  • There is no need to link partial dates (ie years alone, mostly in the lead).
    • Those are not links to years those generally use the {{by}} template to link to years in baseball and a couple reference specific World Series.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
      • My mistake - please accept my apologies and disregard! EyeSereneTALK 16:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

2 Factual accuracy FAIL

Good use is made of sources for the most part. However...

  • The cited source (number 18) for the sentence I picked out in 1.1 above does not really seem to support that sentence.
    • Here is the text of the interview of Panamanian National Team coach: Any other final thoughts? REPLY: Ismael Laguna, Roberto Duran, Hector Lopez, Mariano Rivera, Team PANAMA 2006 ALL CHAMPIONS.
    • This is a statement that one of Panama's athletic leaders views the first four as among the great all-time Panamanian World Champions and hoped that Team PANAMA could join the list, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
  • There are a number of facts quoted in the Panamanian history that really should have explicit citations (almost every sentence in fact!). However, I think we could accept a few general citations as long as they cover all the statements there.
    • Are there sources in the articles used for this section that can also be cited here? I don't think it's really acceptable to expect readers to go to other articles in order to chase up a source. EyeSereneTALK 16:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
      • The alternative is for me to add refs for each individuals page at www.baseballreference.com.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
        • I think the smattering of refs you have added are sufficient for GA; I realise they are basically repeating the same thing, but the section doesn't come across as unsourced now. EyeSereneTALK 11:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

3 Coverage PASS

Taking into account the comments above, I think the coverage is adequate (after all, it's a sport bio!). The article is focused.

4 Neutrality PASS

The article's tone is suitably NPOV throughout.

5 Stability PASS

The article contains no evidence of current major alterations or recent edit-warring.

6 Images N/A

Images are not required at GA, although a suitable picture would be nice for the future development of the article.

As a result of the above concerns I have placed the article on hold. This gives editors up to a week to address the issues raised (although in some circumstances the hold period can be briefly extended). To help with tracking, editors may like to strike through each comment as it is dealt with, or use the template {{done}} after each comment.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or are ready for a re-review. In any case I'll check back here in seven days (around 8th Feb). All the best, EyeSereneTALK 18:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA pass

Thank you for the work you have put in to bring this article up to GA standards. I am happy to pass it, and have updated the various templates to reflect this review. Congratulations! EyeSereneTALK 10:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)