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This needs a lot of work, and the factual accuracy is questionable, to judge by a couple of quick Google searches. --inksauce-dot-com

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[edit] Cimmerian origin of name

I first read about it in the city museum, and to be honest I never heard of Greek colonization in the region other than the coastal area of the Black Sea. I think this needs to be mentioned like it's done in the Crimea article. The first Kingdom that the Cimmerians destroyed was Urartu, Gyumri (Kumari) was on the territory of Urartu.

This site mentions it in the history section: http://www.gyumri.am/eng/history.html It's also mentioned here: "Gomer. Gomer is apparently the oldest son of Japheth. He is listed first and is one of only two sons whose descendants are listed. He is traditionally connected to the Cimmerians and the North Pontic steppe regions from about 1200 BC. The Cimmerians lent their name to the Crimean peninsula. A connection with the ancient Armenian city of Gyumri (also attested as Kumairie, Kumayri, Gumri, Gimira, etc.) is an intriguing possibility for the original Gomerite homeland. "

http://www.pursiful.com/writings/table_of_nations.html --Eupator 19:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, I have updated the main page with it.
As far as the supposed Greek origins of the first settlement go, the information comes from Brittanica and the other reference book cited on the main page. With both alternative explanations attributed now, we should be in good shape :) Ahasuerus 20:23, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Here is an excellent article on the biblical patriarchs: http://www.imninalu.net/2history03.htm#North

[edit] Gyumri: An Armenian Rendition of a Turkish name?

Wasn't it the Turks who called the city "Gumru"? I remember reading somewhere that the correct name of the city is supposed to be "Kumayri" and that after independence, residents decided to call it "Gyumri" because "Kumayri" phonetically sounded too much like the Armenian expression "Kou mayri" which means "Your mothers'". I'm not sure if this is at all accurate, but the thing about the city name sounding like the expression rings true. Hakob 02:38, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I have heard that too :) To be honest I'm not sure if it's an urban legend or not. Considering that Gegharkunik was never changed to different name because of what it sounds like i'm guesing it's just an urban legend.--Eupator 21:14, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Turks use Gumru/Gümrü, it doesn't mean anything in Turkish as much as I know but Gümrük means Customs.--Kagan the Barbarian 11:07, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
It was called Gumru when it was part of the Ottoman Empire, but that doesn't mean the name is Turkish in origin. C'mon, tell all Eupator, what does "Gegharkunik" sound like! Meowy 16:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expanding History

I'll be expanding the History section of this article, anyone want to give me a hand? ;-)

Here's a page that has some useful info: http://www.gyumri.am/eng/history.html Hakob 06:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old city views

Uploaded some images on Commons. You can use them in this article :) FHen 16:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Deleted copyright

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Dear 85.107.45.145. The marked towns were in Western Armenia, from where some Armenians emigrated during the 1826-28 war. They became "Turkish" cities after the Armenian Genocide. So pls discuss your postfactual edits here. Andranikpasha (talk) 09:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC) I also made some corrections, included the more reliable number of inhabitants from [1]. Andranikpasha (talk) 23:24, 2 February 2008 (UTC)