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[edit] Information from fr.wikipedia

The French version of the article, while it's only deemed an outline, appears to have more relevant information than the English. Perhaps utilising some of the same information/sources might prove useful, esp. the section on Satie's choice of the word "Gymnopédies". My time, unfortunately, is limited these days, so perhaps someone else can look into it? Kevin F. Story (talk) 01:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need more on the music itself - style and sound

It would really be excellent if the page on these could discuss their style and sound, rather than briefly noting the circumstances of their writing and subsequent modification and meditating extensively on whether they mean Satie was gay, which is what it does now. —Vivacissamamente 00:17, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

See expansion request at Gymnopédie#The music --Francis Schonken 07:40, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I have attempted to describe the music in a little more detail as requested but is this sufficient? Still the majority of the music section concentrates on what constitutes ambient music and the relationship to Eno. I may have another attempt once I've had a chance to think about it a bit more. - Adrianward 08:29, 26 January 2006 {UTC}

Hi, thanks! I'm still hoping someone would make a harmonical analysis: I've been looking around but couldn't find one yet (and I'm not all that experienced to make one myself) - I think that should also explain their exceptional nature (maybe even more than them being "complex" and/or "irregular") - their "complexity" shouldn't be exaggerated though: they're simple (very simple) melodies on a simple (very simple) harmonic background, these compositions have no exceptional (and not really a "complex" or "irregular") structure, etc... --Francis Schonken 09:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh, yes, I agree, too. I'll try to work on it and see what I can do. I have one question, though - exactly what significance does the poem have? Well, obviously, it is of some importance, but its section is much longer than that of the fundamental ones. --~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 23:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I wrote "poem." I meant the " Perceptions of Antiquity" section. --~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 23:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


Isan's versions are documented at http://www.isan.co.uk/discography.htm 68.43.25.206 18:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think a description of the three movements with titles and translations would be very helpful.

Hi guys, I know this isn't the right place for it, But I'm having trouble understanding what chords to play on the Treble Clef at the beggining of the 1st Gymnopedie, I think they're BDF ACF (but they just don't sound right) Does any1 know where there is a forum where I can discuss how to play Gymnopedie please? Ryan4314 17:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Try the newsgroup rec.music.makers.piano - Google Groups can help you locate it. Oscar 03:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use in Media

I don't know if there's a good place to put this, but the 1st gymnopédie is used at the beginning of episode 12 of the Japanese cartoon Love Hina, which is where I first heard it, although since it is uncredited (as far as I can tell, I can't read Japanese) I had a really hard time tracking it down :(

It also sounded really familiar, so I'm sure it's been used in other shows, movies, commercials, etc, but I can't think of any specifically. FredNash

Yeah I first heard it in Short Circuit 2, then saw it on a mates phone years later Ryan4314 02:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, Gymnopédie No. 1 can be heard towards the end of the Star Trek: TNG episode "Where Silence Has Lease." Captain Picard is sitting alone in his quarters listening to it while waiting for the impending deaths of himself and his crew. When Councellor Troi and Data enter, Picard expounds his theory on the nature of death while this beautiful melody plays.

Another reference, this time in film, is during the final scene of "My Dinner With Andre," a 1981 film by Louis Malle, when Wallace Shawn contemplates his conversation with his friend, Andre Gregory.

It can be heard in another anime show, School Rumble Ni Gakki. I forget which episode, but it is played. Telamascope (talk) 08:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyediting

Per the "clean-up" box, I started copyediting the article to provide more of an encyclopedic tone.

I removed the following phrase: "rhythms shift out of phase, phrases terminate mid-flow and key signatures shift much more commonly than usual". The first two are just not true. The rhythm is consistently that of a 3/4 note followed by a half note, except for the last 2 measures. And there are no phrases which terminate mid-flow. As noted above by Francis Schonken, the pieces are rather simple. The most unconventional aspect of the compositions are the harmonies (dissonance) and the chord progressions.

While copyediting, I moved the Music section to the beginning since this is the standard encyclopedic structure. As noted above, there needs to be more information on the actual music itself. Right now, there is more stuff (or fluff) on Ambient Music and on musings on the origin of the word than there is on the music itself.

I would be happy to discuss these or other changes, and thanks, Oscar 02:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] I Need Help!

I have seriously tried to explain this piece in terms that are concise but also cover all of the technical and emotional aspects of the pieces - but I end up in strings of words that don't even make sense to me after a while. I believe that a free-use (not fair-use) image of the first few bars will more than help the description become tangible to work with. (And, hopefully, answer Ryan4314's question above) --~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 03:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Gymnopédies are still copyrighted (at least in France). I'm not sure about US. As a precaution, all musical samples of Satie compositions I uploaded to Wikipedia are "fair use". There are only some 5 compositions of Satie (post WWI) that would probably be public domain worldwide.
But I don't see how that would solve the problems with your essay on the compositions? Wouldn't it be better to look for some descriptions (in books, record sleeves, etc.) and summarize them? --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, true, but I'm afraid of being too wordy. I want to make sure that I don't tumble over myself trying to explain chord progressions.
I am against fair use, so if they are copyrighted, I suppose it would be against policy. I'll try again, soon. --~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 03:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)