Talk:Gymnast

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I suppose, that Li is the first name and Xiaopeng (also Ning) is the last name. If it's wrong, correct the changes, that I've made, please. Cmapm 11:11, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Li is the last name. It might be a very common name in china. anobo 09:51, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)

I've fixed this. Cmapm 15:14, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] USSR

There was no countries like "Russia", "Ukraine", "Uzbekistan", etc., during the existence of the USSR. There were Soviet Republics Russian SFSR, Ukrainian SSR, Uzbek SSR. Should we change entries like "USSR/Russia", "USSR/Ukraine" to "Russian SFSR", "Ukrainian SSR" for gymnasts, who competed in that period? Cmapm 12:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest leaving the links as is, for the following reasons:
  • Most anglophones do know the SSRs by the current names (Ukraine, Belarus, etc.) and changing them might be confusing.
  • Some gymnasts, such as Boguinskaya, Galiyeva, etc. competed for the USSR before 1989 but also competed for their respective Republics afterwards when they were indeed official countries, so in these cases the country names are accurate.
  • Some of the gymnasts who competed solely for the USSR now identify and operate in official positions for their Republics (example, Tourischeva, who is an official for Ukraine). In these cases, the country names are accurate too.

I'm sorry I didn't see these questions sooner. Thanks for your help with these articles!! Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 07:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! Yes, all your points are reasonable and now I also think, that names should be left as is.
No any need to be sorry at all! I've asked so many questions here in Wikipedia, especially in the last few weeks, that I've forgotten about most of them :) And only my watchlist reminds me about them from time to time :) Cmapm 08:53, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question on descriptions

Should years be provided here? E.g. in List of Chinese people they are not provided at all and in List of Russians they are provided only sometimes and mostly for those, who died. Maybe they could be temporarily provided for "red links" only? I think, that more important inf. to be included is whether a person was Olympic/World Champion. I also think, that "(byear-dyear)" is more commonly used format, than "(b. byear-d. dyear)" Any comments? Cmapm 09:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Famous vs unknown

I've just removed recently added Natasha Lisagor, the only references I found to her on the web is [1] and a mention here. I believe, she's not famous, but rather unknown. I could be wrong, then, please, provide more sourced inf. about her. Cmapm 20:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Organization

I was looking through this page today. The list of gymnasts is getting very, very long. It's incredibly awesome that so many pages about these awesome athletes are appearing, but I wonder if this list might be cumbersome for some people to scroll through.

I notice that most of these gymnasts belong to some category: "Russian gymnasts," "Canadian gymnasts," etc. Perhaps instead of providing the long lists of names, we could provide links to the category pages? The disadvantage would be that WAG, MAG and rhythmic would all be together, but it would also tell a reader quickly if there was a page about their favorite gymnast. Any thoughts?Mademoiselle Sabina 20:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the structure of this article is becoming a problem... But if we just list categories, the article will be almost identical to Category:Gymnasts by nationality. I am personally thinking of other variants:
  1. Renaming the list to the new name: "List of gymnasts" (or splitting it into "List of artistic gymnasts" and "List of rhythmic gymnasts"). Many such lists are alphabetical, examples: List of golfers (the most nice IMHO), List of football (soccer) players, List of male boxers, List of male tennis players; exception: by country - List of cricketers. See Category:Lists of sportspeople for more similar pages.
  2. The most radical decision: to delete all the content and make the article look like boxer, diver, fencer, footballer, skater, etc. Base: the only additional to Category:Gymnasts by nationality info, the current list contains are birth/death years.
  3. Mixed variant: rename the article to "List of gymnasts" and make the article "Gymnast" look like e.g. skater.
I personally would currently prefer the third variant, i.e. split the current article into "List of artistic gymnasts" and "List of rhythmic gymnasts", make each of them look like List of golfers and make the article "Gymnast" look like the article skater. I don't think, that this would be the best however - because it would be long too, but at least it would look like other similar pages... Anyway, that's what I think... Cmapm 01:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)