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[edit] Genre

Is is supposed to be christian rock? (125.236.162.119 11:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC))

Yes 198.6.46.11 21:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure. I have also put Punk Metal should on there.
I have added expiremntal metal, since Ragnarok and This Toilet Earth both totally defy any attempt to shove a genre on them and sound totally unlike any other band ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.206.54 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 20 April 2008

[edit] Slymenstra's retirement

In light of Slymenstra's retirement, I don't think merging her into this article would be ideal. At the very least there should be an article on retired characters. It pains me to see Slymenstra and some of the other retired characters virtually becoming footnotes.I think an article for Gwar's enemies would be a nice addition also. I'm willing to do either/both if no one else will. --Evanrocks88 03:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV comments

I don't think the album reviews are very NPOV. They have to many negative remarks that obviously reflect the writers personal opinion of the records. Lachatdelarue 19:10, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Actually this article is, by and large, pretty damn awful. In general the text reads as if it was written by a rabid teenage fan. However if you remove the colloqialisms, add some basic elements of grammar, and adopt a more neutral tone then you might get something decent. I'll watch it for a few days and if it doesn't improve I'll take a big editing knife to it. Manning 07:03, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
the recent edits by the original writer aren't to bad. needs some cleaning up and wikifying, but he seems to have fixed most of the stuff that was POV. Lachatdelarue 14:11, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] album pages

I'm working on moving all of the albums' info into their own pages. I've done the first 3 albums so far, and I'll do the rest later, at which time I'll edit the discography list to point to the individual articles. Lachatdelarue (talk) 16:54, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I made some changes

I added some members to the retired section and corrected some unknowns.

If you want to see the source to back up the new stuff I added, it acually comes from GWAR's official website, so it's not just stuff some fan made up.

Here's the source: http://www.gwar.net/mooselodge/fuq/index.php?gwarsid=df4b1ad2f251d30a32aaa29b850f2fb0

-An anonymous GWAR fan

i added a piece on the codename kids next door which i research for a LONG time and found over 10 reading saying that they do the most of the musicCarpathian soilder 16:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)carpathian_soilder

No they don't, they did two songs for an episode of the show and that's it, they were altered versions of Gor-Gor and Private Pain of Techno Destructo

mybad i did the research and i must have read it wrong sry if i caused some trouble....Carpathian soilder 20:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)carpathian_soilder

[edit] Disambig needed

This page is linked from Sonderkommando, so obviously there's a different meaning of "Gwar" not covered here! --Theodore Kloba 19:43, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

It has now been discovered that the link from a page about Nazi death camp workers (or whatever) was a little bit of "funniness" from an anon. A google search shows no use of the word/acronym "GWAR" in relation to Nazis. The link from Sonderkommando has been removed. Lachatdelarue (talk) 00:39, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Check Talk:Sonderkommando. I've linked the Gwar song "Sonderkommando" to the article. --Theodore Kloba 15:37, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Rewrite needed

I've added a few details about the band as well as rewrote the first 2 or 3 paragraphs. It's still really really crap and needs to be thoroughly rewritten. I have to do a little more research first. pogo 4 July 2005 06:45 (UTC)

I like what you did so far Pogo. I don't know enough about GWAR to really contribute, but it looks like you are moving in the right direction. Isotope23 17:20, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] bio

do you have a copy of that gwar bio they wrote. they're changing their website and i can't access it. if you do have a copy that would be apriciated*. *i can't spell sh!t

lol same prob i found out some coll stuff like GWAR got kicked out of richmond but RAWG isn't which for the noobs is GWAR backwards.Carpathian soilder 16:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)carpathian_soilder

[edit] Learn to read

You got NONE of the actual current members names right. I'm going to keep an eye on it but this article is so horrifically incorrect that I may have take a few hours to completely fix it.

This page is mutating into a good article rather quickly. If we can keep the vandals out, we might be on to something.

[edit] Where are the videos?

No listing so far? The article only mentions some of the videos in the album descriptions. It needs descriptions of all the videos, not just the album tie-ins. Gwar is much more of an Audio/Visual stage production than just a band. Exclusion of their video productions really does the band and article a disservice. I would partake of the endevor but I'm only familiar with (have viewed)the much earlier Gwar videos. If there is no other initiative I can at least drum up a list of all the LIVE videos and album tie-ins and throw them up on the main page, but I can't go in-depth on more than a few of the early ones.

Also, I just worked on (for several hours) some of the grammar in the first section. I added a bit in an attempt to clean it up and clarify. This article, sadly, does need an entire re-write, its just all over the place in its current form.

The Member list is also atrocious in its current form, alot of good info there, but laid out horribly. Should have a seperate list of current main "Stage Persona" with their stories, then recurring characters, and finally de-comissioned stage persona. Then there should be a list of current actual members, members whose roles have changed, and ex-band members.

(current wiki member having trouble signing in) 2005-11-09.


[edit] Added Information

I created a character page for Flattus Maximus, and updated Slymenstra Hymen's. I've also been adding information about other characters anonymously. - andvari7 (2/4/06)

[edit] Album Pages and such

I'm currently gong through and consolidating the Gwar page as it long and cumbersome to read. I’m creating the separate album pages and adding album Info. As well as putting the Jerry Springer Show and Kids Next Door from the “Disc” to “Appearances.” So bear with me until all the pages are done. Smoltz 22:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Smoltz

[edit] Typo or Deliberate

Is the "Gwarnage Campaing" supposed to be spelled that way, or is it deliberate? I see the use of pain in campaing, but it can easily be a typo.

It should be Campain, or probably more appropriate, Cam-Pain.

I'm pretty sure that it is a typo, as I believe the correct title is "The GWARnage Campaign." Smoltz 04:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

You're right and I was wrong. It actually is "The GWARnage Campaign," although spelling it Cam-Pain, would have made more sense, on their part, considering their characters.

[edit] Deletion?

This addition preplexes me. I actually think this is one of the most informative and in-depth band pages there is here. I don't think there is any reason (given or otherwise) for it to be deleted, and would be a real shame if it was. Considering taking away the notice. Thoughts? Smoltz 01:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Obviously whoever added the deletion template thought he was being funny or just trying to vandalize the band's page, shows maturity eh? Nightmare X 08:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
    • I thought the whole IP address thing was fishy. Smoltz 21:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Videography necessary?

Is GWAR's entire freaking videography really necessary for this page? It takes up a lot of room and in my opinion should be moved to a seperate page (or individual articles for each video). What do you guys think, should we keep it, move to a different article, or move to individual pages each video? Nightmare X 00:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

  • It'd be alot of work, but I'd be willing to help create pages for all of the videos. I'd just make sure to include what already on the page, including the summary and tracklist in a easy to read form. The new pages would also let us include photos of the covers. On a side note, is there any specific templete we should follow, if we were to create new pages? Smoltz 00:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
    • If you do change it, I suggest keeping it one article. It's kind of a waste to give each release its own page. There's nothing that special about them that warrants a page for each one. Just move the article and do a clean up where needed. JohnBWatt
      • There, I split it and removed the cleanup notice, the videography article needs being improved, of course. Nightmare X 01:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article is getting alot better

I've been watching and adding a little to this article since it's inception and it's gradually becoming something that GWAR fans can be proud of.

Keep up the good work, guys. Let's make this the best page on Wikipedia dedicated to the best band in existance.

[edit] Discography

I completely revamped the discography, although I seem to have slightly messed up the code and added an empty bar to the side of the table, can anyone with wikipedia experience fix this? Nightmare X 07:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Fixed. You just added an extra "|" on some of the albums. Also is it really necessary to have US sales and chart postions, since to my knowledge no GWAR has charted and I would have no idea where you would find album sales.Smoltz 23:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, All Music Guide has charts for some albums Nightmare X 01:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I stand corrected. I'll try to incorporate that in the table. Smoltz 23:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Yay or nay on the new design? Smoltz 00:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
        • Seems fine for me Nightmare X 22:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved misplaced paragraph

The following paragraph: "GWAR has not enjoyed as much mainstream recognition as many other bands. Around the time of their third album (America Must Be Destroyed), they enjoyed a fair deal of success, due in part to Beavis and Butt-head. GWAR's music video 'The Road Behind' was featured on the show and Beavis and Butt-head proclaimed GWAR to be the greatest band of all time. After that, GWAR's popularity waned and they were even featured on the VH1 program Where Are They Now. Though not at the peak of their popularity, GWAR was invited to play on the 2005 Sounds of the Underground tour, and will be playing on it again in 2006. [1]."

Fell out of place in the origins section, I have moved it to the intro section, where I think it fits better Nightmare X 19:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Origins section needs to be expanded

Anyone willing to help up writing a biography for GWAR? whereas I've cooperated with this article for a while, I'm pretty bad with writing prose, but I've been able to find a source that can be used to write a biography: Slave Pit Inc.

[edit] Zoolander?

This appears on the Zoolander page and I was wondering if there is anything truth to it. "Many members of the shock rock band GWAR make cameo appearances during the Derek-Hansel walk-off scene and are uncredited." I never really noticed this which is why I assume, there aren't in full costume. Can anybody shed some light onto this? Smoltz 22:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Thrashcore"?

Could anyone explain why was GWAR's genre changed to this? before changing the band's genre to something it would be better to discuss on the talk page, so I reverted that edit. Personally, I believe that despite the fact GWAR have some heavily experimental albums (This Toilet Earth and Carnival of Chaos), their primary genres are Thrash Metal (War Party, America Must Be Destroyed, Violence Has Arrived, a good part of Scumdogs of the Universe) and Punk Rock (Hell-O and We Kill Everything), but I might be wrong, so I invite you to discuss this here. Nightmare X 00:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Carnival of Chaos is not experimental. Its pretty standard punk metal. Now, Ragnarok is. NEver heard anything that sounds like ti. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.124.166.2 (talk) 17:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] COMPLETELY REVAMPED BIOGRAPHY, WOO

Okay, so, I did it, I managed to create a complete biography for the band based on the Slave Pit link above, however, my writing might be flawed or messy in certain points, so any contributions to the biography section are welcome. Nightmare X 09:06, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Band with only one constant member?

I was wondering if it would be accurate to add GWAR to the "Bands with only one constant member" category, seeing how Dave Brockie is the only member of the band who's been there since the start. However, I also kinda doubt it should be added since Mike Derks and Brad Roberts have been there ever since Scumdogs of the Universe and could be considered constant members of the band, but I'm not sure. Nightmare X 16:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA

I failed this article due to the lack of references, as well as the large number of bulleted lists. Some P. Erson 23:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

  • To solve the bulleted list problem , I would suggest putting many of the appearences into the biography section of the article. Also the smaller parts, such as the pro-wrestling or smaller one can be either eliminated or put under trivia.Smoltz 02:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] All Music Guide's review of Beyond Hell?

Any read that piece of crap? The reviewer obviously knows nothing of GWAR and has no appreciation of amazing instrumental performances. Just some lacky who only likes cheap catchy bullshit.

[edit] Article Contradicts Itself Re: the Meaning of GWAR

In the early years section, the article says that GWAR was shortened down from "GWAARGGGH!!!", but that isn't mentioned at all in the "Meaning" section near the end of the article. Which is it? Dihard 01:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Dave Brockie and the Slave Pit Inc official website state the former, allow me to rewrite the meaning section Nightmare X 01:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guts, Gore, and GWAR '99 Citation Needed?

This event appears on the VH-1 "Where Are They Now" on Gwar, which is on youtube, does that work as a citation? --Smart Mark Greene 05:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect Bio, etc...according to All Music Guide

According to the ticketmaster website, GWAR originally stood for "God What An Awful Racket" as well as that the band was not started the way the biography states it, but was started as a marketing project in Virginia. [2] someone check out the link and tell me who is right here, because I would trust All Music Guide above whatever source you've been reading unless it is straight from the GWAR website, which would still be a sketchy source since they like sticking to their theme of being aliens rather than admitting they are a marketing project. Someone get back to me on this. Someone earlier mentioned a review by All Music Guide, I didn't read far enough into the page to know what they were talking about, but I assure you the biography I read here on ticketmaster.com is mostly fact, not opinion. Someone check it out and tell me I'm not just psychotic to think that the two origins of not just the meaning of GWAR but the founding of GWAR are not contradicting each other. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SanctusAbMortis (talk • contribs) 10:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

It's been explained by Dave Brockie countless times already, All Music Guide aren't accurate in this case.
You also should realize though that they never let down from saying that they are aliens. It could be possible that it evolved from "God What An Awful Racket" to "GWARRGH" or however you want to spell it. Just a thought. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SanctusAbMortis (talk • contribs) 09:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] The fake bodily fluids in stage performance.

Though they are claimed to be fake in the wiki article, I read somewhere that they use actual pig's blood to fake the blood. Has anybody researched this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.234.51.173 (talk) 07:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Yeah the blood is definately fake

The blood is very fake, I think that you might possibly be confusing this fact with Slayer having goat blood dumped on them on stage. GWAR blood has always been fake though, hence why it stains the skin so badly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SanctusAbMortis (talk • contribs) 21:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] GWAR Mythos?

I was reading the page for Sleazy a few months ago, and it had a [long but] great summation of the GWAR story from the beginning to now, using the songs and explaining some of the things GWAR used to do onstage, etc. I always wondered why it wasn't on the band's page, and when I went back to look for it today, I saw that Sleazy's page has been hacked down to three albums with accompanying paragraphs; nowhere near the size it was (which is both good and bad). The mythos was a little rambling, but with some good editing, I think it would be a great addition to this page. I'm sad to see it's gone and I'm wondering if anyone here knows what I'm talking about (I don't see anything regarding it on the talk page), and if anyone is willing to edit it to add it here. It seems like a good background on the band's mythology, especially for new fans like myself. Alabasterchinchilla 17:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] By the way...

I'm going through this page (and maybe some of the other secondary GWAR pages eventually) and making minor grammatical edits. Not to put anyone down or anything, but some of the phrasings and syntax, etc., are a little wonky to say the least. Hopefully these little edits will help improve the article overall. Alabasterchinchilla 17:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SOURCES

Source 2 is cited wrong , it's a link to a totally different interview than the one with dave brockie. It should be fixed. 07:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)GuestUser 07:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References?

Where's all the references? No wonder the Wikipedia people always delete the article!! Gabriel Texidor 23:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Well,at the moment in 2007 GWAR is with 0 infos......but,since years he made a music for the cartoon Kids Next Door,aand in my opnion they have to do a real movie as a musical....a food idea no?

[edit] Passive voice

Why is most of this article written this way?:

Due to the band's distaste for the previous album, GWAR's sound would suffer major changes for the next recording. With Tim Harris gone, Zack Blair would be hired to fill his spot as Flattus Maximus, Casey Orr also having returned to the band as Beefcake the Mighty for the recording of the band's first entirely thrash metal album in years: Violence Has Arrived, released in November 6, 2001, the album being seen as a "comeback" of sorts and setting off changes that would result in the current state of the band. Violence Has Arrived would be, however, the band's last album on Metal Blade Records, with the band leaving the label soon after the recording and releasing of it.--YellowTapedR 05:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page title

This should be moved from GWAR to Gwar. If ORANGE RANGE got moved to Orange Range, and FLOW got moved to Flow (band), this should do the same.--▄█ Benol █▄ 01:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

GWAR is an acronym for "God What an Awful Racket" - the way other bands are spelled has nothing to do with correct GWAR capitalization. GWAR is spelled with all capital letters. MarkMarek 02:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
GWAR is NOT an acronym. This has been stated by the band many, many times. Its often said that GWAR is short for "GGWWWWAAAARRRRR!!!!", but the rumors that it stands for God What A Racket, Gay Women Against Rape, Great White Aryan Race, or any other rumors you have heard are just that: rumors. --24.163.118.163 01:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)