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[edit] Speedy deletion of Guy Manning

A tag has been placed on Guy Manning requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. —Caesura(t) 11:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


That article appears to be about yourself. While there is no set policy about autobiographical articles please be aware of this. You would also be well-advised to do the following to avoid the article being deleted quite soon for the reason given by Caesura above:

  1. Place {{hangon}} on the article, just below the {{db-bio}} tag
  2. Edit Talk:Guy Manning to explain why the subject is notable, according to the criteria at WP:BAND.

Doing this is not binding, but it gives those deleting articles pause!

Tonywalton Talk 11:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion

Hi Guy, got your note. There are actually a few reasons why your article keeps getting deleted. First, Wikipedia has strict notability criteria for all articles. If an article fails to meet them, it is speedily deleted. You may actually be notable enough for an article, it's just that I didn't think the article asserted that clearly enough when I deleted it. If you explained the notability better, the article would likely not be speedily deleted (though it may be deleted through articles for deletion). I didn't look closely at The Tangent, but I can. Second, all articles must be verifiable, meaning they must cite reliable, third party sources such as newspaper articles, per the attribution policy. If there are no such sources, the subject is not notable enough for an article. Third, you should not write an article about yourself, per the conflict of interest guideline. If you still want to work on the article, I recommend working on it in your userspace (that is, any page beginning with User:GuyManning/... such as User:GuyManning/Sandbox)., that way it won't get deleted before you have it the way you want it. Don't hesitate to leave me a message on my talk page if you have any questions or need anything, I'm always glad to help. Peace, delldot talk 11:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict - Guy, that means Delldot was editing this at the same time as me). I was going to say substantially the same thing, here's my take:

See the above about {{hangon}} and if an article is under development it's a good idea to say so on its talkpage. Another possibility: create the article as User:GuyManning/Guy Manning, that is in your own userspace and when it's ready, "move" it to "mainspace" (where articles live) - you can either use the "move" tab at the top of the window or put {{helpme}} on your user page and a more experienced editor should turn up soon to help you. I repeat what I said above about autobiographical (AB) articles though - there tends to be a degree of sensitivity about this on Wikipedia. Note that I am not accusing you or your article of any of the following: these are reasons why there may be sensitivity in general.
Firstly there is a high number of people posting self-promotional articles either along the lines of "Ben Fooglebaum is the greatest kid in the wrld and al bow dwon to him" or "Sarah Blinkton-Smythe BSc is highly experienced in java-based design (followed by a full CV)". Wikipedia is not a large number of things, including a vehicle for self-promotion.
Secondly Wikipedia is built upon these principles. An AB article may be prone to violate (at least) WP:NOR and WP:NPOV. There may also be issues with article "ownership" - articles here are "owned" by no-one (or perhaps everyone!) and the author of an AB article may have issues with anyone else editing it.
As I say, I am not accusing you of any of these things, but that's why AB articles are discouraged. As far as I can see yours violated none of these. Your article does, however, need to assert the notability of its subject, perhaps a little earlier in the article - start it, perhaps, with

Guy Manning is a member of the progressive rock supergroup The Tangent

Hope the above helps Tonywalton Talk 11:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More advice

This really just repeats what's been said above, but before planning an article about yourself you should carefully read Notability and Notability (music), which explain the (fairly high) standard of notability an article about a musician has to meet if it is to stay in WIkipedia, and also autobiography about why writing an article about yourself is a bad idea. Wikipedia isn't the way you promote yourself to start your career: once you get "notable" enough, someone else will want to write an article about you. You may not like what they write, but that's another problem... JohnCD (talk) 13:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

SO why is the TANGENT page MORE notable other than someone else wrote it If someone else set up and account and publsihed my propsoed page would it be more notable??

To answer for JohnCD, I'm not really convinced that the Tangent article is that notable. It looks like the claims to notability are pretty marginal, and they don't have references, which, as I said, are of paramount importance. I doubt if it would be kept if it went throught the articles for deletion process.
But really, are you sure you want there to be an article about yourself? I mean, once it's out there, anyone can edit it, and any relevant material that's been published is fair game. So if you go through a messy divorce, or get accused of drunk driving... all that can go in there. And the people who edit the article don't necessarily have to like you. You'll have no right to choose what gets included or excluded, as long as the material meets Wikipedia's standards. And that's not even including vandals, who could write any crazy thing in there (though it would very likely be quickly reverted, still someone could see it before it is) If it were me, I'd be scrambling to prove I'm NOT notable, to get that thing deleted forthwith! Read this person's account. At any rate, I do really recommend that you read WP:AUTO if you haven't already. Don't hesitate to leave me a message on my talk page if you have any questions or need anything, I'm always glad to help. Peace, delldot talk 02:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

OK I will not bother with my own page then..I just thought it might be informataive Never mind Guy

[edit] Place of birth and date of birth

Could I get this information to put in the article? --pete 16:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Born:20 Jan 1957 Place: Leeds, Yorkshire, UK


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