Talk:Guthrie's Memorial

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This point on the Snaefell mountain course or Mountain Course is preceed by the 26th Milestone and the next following point on the course is Guthrie's Bridge or the 27th Milestone as the Mountain Course runs clockwise. The title of the course is Snaefell Mountain Course or Mountain Course rather than Isle of Man TT Course as there has been more than one TT 'course' and also the Tourist Trophy racing on the Isle of Man for cars predates the races for motor-cycles.

Also the position on the map is also inaccurate and with Guthrie's Memorial the point is actually several miles from its actual position. Perhaps you would like to correct this as with other points on the Snaefell mountain course. Would someone alter the title of the Template Box as I have been unable to do so.

(11thmilestone (talk) 12:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC))

If there are particular facts that you feel are inaccurate, then you should correct them. However, large-scale reversion of unrelated changes is vandalism, and you should desist from such actions.

Wikipedia's Manual of Style says that the most common name should be used to refer to things: the TT Course is vastly, vastly more regularly referred to as the 'TT Course' - it's the current one, even though there were obviously other incarnations at earlier times. 'Snaefell Mountain Course' is a much more niche term. Mauls (talk) 21:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

The Isle of Man Centenary TT - ACU/MMCC Official Race Guide on page 67 refers to a map of the circuit and it decribed as the "Mountain Course" and the same publication refers to practice on the "Mountain Course." Also, the Race Guide for the 1972 Isle of Man TT Races descibes the results for the Isle of Man TT Races 1907-1910 as the "Short Course" and the TT races 1911 ownwards as the "Mountain Course." The current term is "Mountain Course" and refers to the Isle of Man TT Races and also the Manx Grand Prix which shares the same circuit. To describe the term "Snaefell Mountain Course" or "Mountain Course" as an obsolete term or 'niche term' would be incorrect and perhaps you should provided documentary evidence to your assertions inline with Wikiedia policy and aslo be careful of incorrect descriptions about the Isle of Man TT Races in either media, maps or other doucmentary evidence.

It is perhaps helpful for the reader of the article(s) to understand the difference between the Isle of Man TT Races as an event and also the "TT Course," as you refer to it, as a race circuit which is also used by the Manx Grand Prix as a seperate event. As the Wikipedia article Snaefell Mountain Course is a technical description of the course and the other documented course names such as Guthrie's Memorial, 11th Milestone and Handley's Corner etc, can be seen to be aslo technical description in accordance with Wikipedia policy WP:TITLE, the most common name used be used for the actual title of the article, with more technically exact names used at the start. In this case then the article Snaefell Mountain Course the intial description should be "Snaefell Mountain Course" instead of "(Snaefell) Mountain Course."

With the TT Course info box now found with TT course names such as Guthrie's Memorial the title should also be "Mountain Course." The enclosed map show some but not all of the Isle of Man Parish boundries and Guthries's memorial is in the parish of Lezayre and the maps shows it in the parish of Maughold. Also, the map shows the position of Guthrie's Memorial several miles from its actual position and the following and preceeding course positions are still incorrect.

Despite the assertion, "the most common name for the course, by a long margin, is 'TT Course'...." it now appears that there is a policy to change all references to "Mountain Course" to "Snaefell Mountain Course" a term previously described as incorrect or a little used 'niche term.' Large-scale reversion of unrelated changes is vandalism, and you should desist from such actions. It is also unhelpful to make changes of this type as it is makes it difficult to edit articles about the Isle of Man TT Races or start new articles about the ".... other incarnations at earlier times..." If there is a random policy to change description to "Snaefell Mountain Course," again, perhaps you should provided documentary evidence to your assertions inline with Wikiedia policy and aslo be careful of incorrect descriptions of the the Isle of Man TT Races or Manx Grand Prix in either media, maps or other doucmentary evidence. (Agljones (talk) 13:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC))