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    [edit] chronology

    http://www.gundamofficial.com/features/faq_prod_info.html#order

    its in paragraph 7---- i would credit them and post it here, but i dont know the law or whatnot and its not worth me getting into legal problems so follow link for an offical chronology

    [edit] Gundam Word Meaning Variation

    Generation Unsubdued Nuclear Drive Assult Module Is 'GUNDAM' comes from this weird line of words? Flora 02:48, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

    In the terms of the series "Gundam SEED", GUNDAM stands for "GeneralUnilateral Neuro-LinkDispersive Autonamic Maneuvere"

    If that is true, it contradicts what is in the article. Can we fix this? DJ Clayworth 16:16, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

    No, the SEED definitions are unique to SEED. : Operation X 06:02, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

    Furthermore, the acronym spelled out previously not only doesn't apply outside of the SEED universe, but the acronym changes later on in the series. I don't remember the specifics, but the N is replaced by Nuclear, for instance. Xenon Zaleo 03:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


    Can we make it normal procedure to include the word Gundam in the title of any article that relates to this series. So rather than Mobile Suit Variations it would be Gundam Mobile Suit Variations. I think this would be less confusing for people searching on the words mobile or suit. DJ Clayworth 16:12, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

    Though your suggestion does have merrit, such a title would indicate that the article was about vairations of the Gundam design, which are so varied that it could be its own section anyway. There are plenty of other mobile suit lines with variants, but such an article could begin with a quick paragraph explaining the premise behind it all, to remind the reader what series its from and all...

    With that name, it would be more likely article about MSV in general. L-Zwei 16:37, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

    In Gundam Wing Gundams were called Gundams because they were made from Gundanium alloy[1] Hackwrench 19:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

    No. Virgo, Scorpio, Mercurius and Vayeate are all use Gundanium armor but aren't Gundam.L-Zwei 02:58, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
    While that is true, Zechs does explicitly indicate (episode 1) that the suit's Gundanium composite construction was the sincher, proving that it was a Gundam. Curiously enough, the 'Luna Titanium' that the orrigional gundam was constructed from was later named 'Gundarium' in tribute to the suit, quite the opposite of what you see in Wing, eh?
    That's because during event of early episode, they're only mobile suits that construct from Gundanium. Well, I think I get your point. The first five AC Gundam got the name Gundam from Gundanium alloy, but the meanning was lost once Mercurius and Vayeate appear. L-Zwei 12:28, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
    See, there are a lot of things you could call a Gundam. Why isn't Turn-X a Gundam? Why isn't the Hyaku Shiki a Gundam? Aren't Rick Dias technically "Gundams"? The answer is, A Gundam is whatever Bandai decides one is. Adding the title Gundam to a suit automatically makes it sell more models than it's non-Gundamified counterparts. It's really a moot point to argue. You have to compare them all as mobile suits and jsut understand that some MS are better than others.

    24.15.243.244

    Actually, I think the name "Gundam" is derived from the supposed type of metal used to construct Gundams's called "gundanium." Oyo321 16:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


    Generally, all humanoid-form robots in the Gundam meta-series are called "Mobile Suits". However, the name "Gundam" differs from one timeline into the other. In the start of the Universal Century (UC) timeline (Mobile Suit Gundam, year UC 0079), the name "Gundam" exists only as the name of one of the 3 mobile suits made under Project-V (the other 2 are the Guncannon and the Guntank). In October of UC 0081, the Gundam Development Project was formed by Anaheim Electronics (commissioned by the Earth Federation) to create a series of experimental mobile suits based on the original Gundam (GP00 Blossom, GP01 Zephyrantes, GP01Fb Zephyrantes Full-Vernian, GP02A Physalis, GP03S Stamen, GP03D Dendrobium, GP04G Gerbera). To cut the long story short, the name "Gundam" in this timeline are mobile suits based on the original RX-78-2 Gundam piloted by the civilian (progressed into a official in the later series) Amuro Ray. In the After Colony timeline (Gundam Wing, Endless Waltz, G-Unit), the name "Gundam" is applied to the mobile suits constructed with a special, indestructible alloy called "Gundanum Alloy" and applied with the XXXG-00W0 Wing Gundam Zero (note the tv-series version, not the OVA version; all Gundam units in Endless Waltz are retrograde versions of the originals) and its decendants. In the Future Century timeline (G Gundam), the name "Gundam" denotes the mobile fighters created specifically for use in the Gundam Fight tournament, which are all made of Gundarium Alloy and regulated by the Gundam Fight International Committee. In the After Colony timeline (Gundam-X), the name "Gundam" are applied to mobile suits (and their descendants in AW 0015, with some exceptions) created in AW 0001 to prevent/stop the space colony drop to Earth. In Gundam SEED/Destiny, the name "Gundam" is actually an acronym (note: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Operation_System ). E Wing 16:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

    Well, then that wouldn't make sense. The word "Gundam" is used in almost every title of the Gundam series, along with MS. Oyo321 23:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Lagrange points and Gundam

    Quote: The technology, at least that of the Universal Century, is practical and derived from true science, including Lagrange points in space, the O'Neill cylinder as a living environment, and energy production from helium-3 (Minovsky Physics).

    Since L-points are mentioned in the article and "Lagrangian point" links to this article, the relation of the L-points and Gundam should be explained in the Gundam article. Besides, the above quote reads as if L-points were technological products, when they actually are a physical phenomenon. Since I'm unfamiliar with Gundam universe, all I can do is to make a comment. --The Merciful 13:37, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

    Indeed, it seems to be some clumsy wording, the space colony clusters of the Gundam universe (refered to as 'Sides' in UC terminology) are nestled in clusters situated in those 5 stable points in orbit.

    [edit] Merge Gundam model

    Could the Gundam model article be merged here? Kjkolb 09:49, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

    Seconded, the gunpla page should be wrapped up and sliped into the merchandise section.--72.140.12.15 08:08, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Proposed Intro edit

    Gundam is one of the most successful meta-series of Sci Fi anime which started with Mobile Suit Gundam by the famous director Yoshiyuki Tomino in 1979. With some variations amongst different series, Gundam is generally set in the near future in which humans fight terrible wars with giant robots. While originally aimed at the young boys demography, Gundam had acquired a large following in teens (both genders) and young adults in many parts of the world. The success of Gundam-related merchandise in the Far East rivals that of Star Wars in North America and Western Europe.

    Hello! What do you think about the above intro? - DrCore 2005.09.02

    Minor nitpick: Are the Hummingbird series (and by extension the Zetaplus series) considered "Gundams"? How about Re-GZ? If not, perhaps the exception relating to the Hummingbird should be removed from the "defining characteristics" section. --165.21.154.8 06:42, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

    Actually, the MSZ-006C1[Bst] Zetaplus C1 "Hummingbird" is actually a variation of the Zetaplus C1, one of the mobile suits of the Zetaplus series. Since the Zetaplus series are all variations and mass-produced versions of the MSN-006 Zeta Gundam, then I think that all Zetaplus mobile suits can't be called as a "Gundam" (note that the mass-produced RX-79[G] Gundam Ground Type came directly from spare part rejects of the RX-78-2 Gundam, so that means the RX-79[G] may not be considered as a "true" mass-production model. As for the Re-GZ (who's name stands for Refined Gundam Zeta), thats what I don't know. E Wing 16:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Distinctive Characteristics semplified

    Since this is a general introduction to the Gundam concept, referring to specific less-important exceptions to the usual Gundam characteristics seemed excessive.

    Also having an entire section devoted to Gundams different from the norm was wery out-of-place, as every mecha series has always less important models that are different than the namesake. There is really no point in stating this on this page.

    If you need this information retained, put it on the specific model's pages.

    This page is not a place where state which models are like the "real" gundams and which are not.--IgorTrieste 15:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

    [edit] misc

    I think the focus of the Gundam entry is really poor. It reads like a fanboy's catalog of trivia, especially the crazy acronyms Bandai made up to explain what "Gundam" means. How about:

    Gundam is a franchise owned by Bandai for a series of robot toys and animated shows produced to sell the toys. It was a modestly successful cartoon during its initial run, and the original toys were designed by the now extinct Clover company as typical robot toys for young children. Bandai figured out they could sell a lot of "realistic" science fiction model kits to slightly older children featuring the Gundam robot and countless sequels have followed.

    The Gundam robot has a trademark look of a samurai-like head with two antenna on the forehead in a V-shape, a visored helmet, lightup eyes, and a covered "mouth." The Gundam robot usually carries a shield, rifle, and lightsaber-like "beam sword." The Gundams are usually depicted in the animated shows as thoughtless war machines and the story is told from the point of view of the pilot.

    Isn't this better than speculating what G.U.N.D.A.M. stands for? If you are at that point you really don't need an encyclopedia entry to help you... 68.165.9.184 04:21, 17 November 2005 (UTC)nobody

    • While I don't like how G.U.N.D.A.M. acronyms was mention in introduction, since it never exist until SEED was released (and only apply to CE timeline, not Gundam in general.). Your version is even worse and look like something belong to Uncyclopedia. L-Zwei 08:30, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
      • I wouldn't call my version better written, but I think it comes closer to describing what Gundam is to the greater world than the current entry. The reason Gundam keeps getting refreshed is it sells a lot of merchandise. Just like Coke cans are red and Corvettes are fiberglass, Gundams carry rifles, swords, and shields, and have that distinct head. BTW I did read the Uncyclopedia entry for Gundam and it is rather close to the above! 68.164.214.148 04:52, 20 November 2005 (UTC)nobody
        • Not really, while general Gundam show feature such distinct feature. There are some product that standout from other (Turn A Gundam for example), some product like Rise from Ashes game not include Gundam at all. And there are some novel that doesn't has official merchandise release. I don't denie that Gundam is to sells a lot of merchandise, but that's just one aspect (though it seem to be more and more important, it still just one aspect). Said Gundam keeps getting refreshed is solely for sells merchandise is like say The reason Star Wars get refreshed is it sells a lot of merchandise. It's completely ignore other aspect of franchise.L-Zwei 12:32, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
          • Turn A didn't exactly break the design rules for the Gundam. They did move the v-antennae, but just to the nose and spent the whole show reminding the viewer where they moved it by dubbing it "The Moustache." Rise from the Ashes featured the GM mobile suit, which is just an "non-flashy" design of the Gundam (GM ~= GundaM, like the creators saying, "This robot is nearly a Gundam."). I think the question "What is a Gundam?" should be answered in an encyclopedia entry, and the current entry doesn't do that. How about, the design for the Gundam robot is usually inspired by the original Gundam, which featured a samurai-like head, the v-antennae, covered mouth, etc. I guess you would white as the base color, and a cockpit in the chest/heart area. Also, of course, a humanoid shape. I'm not saying every Gundam has every design queue, but practically none of the Gundams don't have most of them. I think getting this across is more important than mentioning random plot devices like "Mirkovsky Particles." Also, you can add the robot is usually designed in a way so that it can be built as an actual robot (in the anime as a full size-robot, in the real world as a plastic model) in such a way that high articulation can be realized and none of the proportions of the design are changed from the cartoon to the actual robot. (Again, SD Gundam breaks this rule, but they named the show to remind you what to "correct" to make it fit with the Gundam design.) I think the high articulation and proportionality are key to the "Real Robot" genre.68.164.214.148 19:21, 20 November 2005 (UTC)nobody
            • The term Gundam mean both the franchise and main mecha of show. The entry already answer the question "What is Gundam" for both. Introduction part is answer for "What is Gundam" as franchise and the Distinctive characteristics part answer the question "What is Gundam" as the name of mecha. Well, the introduction part might be clearer if we move G.U.N.D.A.M acronym phrase somewhere else.L-Zwei 05:24, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
              • I agree that the introductory paragraph for Gundam should be spruced up a bit to give it a more 'official' or 'finalized' feel to it. Because at the moment, it seems as though it's part of an article with the beginning cut out. However, I also feel that the initial suggestion is overly cynical, and deliberatly missleading. It seems to me that the writer in question is simultaneously aware of the significant volume of material behind the series, but is unwilling to familiarize themself with it rather than dismiss critical setting elements as 'plot devices.' The introduction should be elegant and simple. Introducing Gundam and the timeframe in which it first appeared. Briefly describe the financial failure and subsequent revival of the series through reruns, and go on to reveal that it is now a franchise that covers a wide gambit of animated, drawn, digital, and literary work, with degrees of artistic and marketable quality that vary rapidly between them... I'll see what I can do... --72.140.12.15 08:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

    I question whether Gundam is really one of the earliest of the Mecha genre. I remember Gigantor the space-age robot from the late 60s, see [2].

    • It absoultely is not only one of the earliest, it was THE earliest. Gigantor was not a mech drama, it was a "Giant Robot" show. Big difference. User:Snarfies
      • This overseas concept that "giant robot" and "mech/mecha" are mutually exclusive categories does not exist in Japanese. In Japanese, Mobile Suit Gundam is considered just as much a "giant robot" as Tetsujin 28-gou (Iron Man No. 28/Gigantor). Keep in mind that the RX-78-2 Gundam is the same 18-meter height as Mazinger Z (Tranzor Z). Also, in Japanese, both Tetsujin 28-gou and Gundam are considered mecha, as are all mechanical objects, robotic or otherwise. User:Egan Loo
    • The terms the Japanese themselves use for the distinction between the Tetsujin 28-gou's generation and Gundam's generation are "Super Robot" and "Real Robot." Still, some Japanese fans consider Mobile Suit Gundam to be not exclusively a "real robot" series, but a bridge between the two subgenres. (Gundam has the pioneering "realistic" depiction of war, but it still has color schemes, inventor's son/pilot, and other "super robot" tropes foisted upon the creators by the sponsors.) Also, the Super Robot game franchise have further blurred the Super Robot subgenre boundaries. Still Super Robot, Real Robot, and Hero Robot are useful categorizations used by Japanese fans. User:Egan Loo

    -While it is true that in Japan the word "mecha" embodies all robot genres and the classification prefixes they use to distinguish are "real" and "super", this is the en.wikipida not the jp.wikipidia. People are coming to this page to clarify the specific uses and discriminations and uses of these classifications in English language and culture and as such the page needs to reflect those uses; in this case the fact that "mecha" are characterizd as a different subgenre from "super robot" in Western cultre. If you wish to make a case that this Western variation of subgenre clssification is misleading and erroneous then by all means please do so, but this is not the palce for that argument. This is a catalog, not a forum.

    -Robert from Gundam Universe
      • The catch is that there is no consistent English usage of the word "mecha." As clearly shown in the discussion above, English speakers have different opinions on what "mecha" mean. Some English speakers say that "mecha" mean all robots. Others say that "mecha" mean only "realistic" robots. Still others say that "mecha" means only piloted robots or only humanoid robots, while those that don't say that unfairly rules out Giant Robo and the mobile armor and mobile dolls of the Gundam franchise. Finally, some use the original Japanese definition and say "mecha" mean all mechanical objects--after all, there are English speakers who validly discuss the mecha in Cowboy Bebop even though there are virtually no robots in it. There are English speakers who validly discuss the mecha of the Gundam franchise and include the non-humanoid mobile armor in the discussion.
      • Using specific terms in the article (with an explanatory text to clarify the meaning) is perfectly valid because of all these different uses of "mecha" by English speakers. In fact, because of all the confusion, the article should do this. --Egan Loo 15:53, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
        • -Good Point. As this is an issue for discussion in a vibrant subculture and therefore the boundaries of definition are relatively fluid and malliable. While I have a very clear set of values for each definition which I use when discussing with other members of the "sect" that I expect even if they do not agree with for them to understand, as consistent as the values are in their usage within the collectiove there is no awarding body of Certified Otakification. There is a lot of room for discussion; especially when dealing with the SRW/SRT issue lots of the kids who are influenced by the growth of the game translation scene use "real" and "super".
      • - That being said, I still advocate the super/mecha distinction on grounds of aesthtic consistency as Gundam(and almost Zambot-3) was the progenitor of design style that made giant robots look like factory produced vehicles ala cars, tanks and planes- and it was this design philosophy that permeates a lot of the technolust of "mecha" as I use the term which in turn was responsible for the development of Gunpla/(model building) that is such a source of focus and discovery for the mecha/anime fanbase. And in turn not only do "Super" robots very often have much more bombastic and plastic appearance but they display a lot of the same characteristics which we associate with super heros in this country. The very mechanisation- the monomaniacal high-functionaoning autism of robot development and design in things like 08MST or even Robotech for that matter- is not present. -Rob from GU-

    At about the same time there was another cartoon screened in Australia about someone called Hercules who saved the day each episode by building a robot called the Giant Muscle (to the tune of the Can-can Polka, the chorus of which went "hurry hurry Hercules"). Both were this genre. Whether the second came from Japan I don't know for sure, but it seems to me their contribution should be recognised. Andrewa 15:41, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

    Regarding the Hercules post above, the song went, "Hurry, hurry Hercules. Time to launch your guided Muscle Missile". It was screened in the US as well.

    Would someone please unite all of the ships in the various gundam series' onto one page. Trying to find all of the ship classes and names takes forever, and it seems unfare that every other topic has a "mainpage" per se.

    I have removed the link to Gundam Gates, as it's fairly obvious it was added as an advertisement. Jtrainor 09:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

    Just uh, guys... what that first guy said up there. It all sounds like it's written by fanboys. And I guess it was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.93.67.134 (talk • contribs).
    Actually, the acronym existed well before SEED came out. The UC G.U.N.D.A.M. acronym was backronymed in Gundam Sentinel(1988), General purpose Utility Non-Discontinuity Augmentation Maneuvering weapon system(全領域汎用連続増強機動兵器). You can find it in the Japanese wiki and Chinese wiki (and I have checked sources of it) but both of them are placed in Gundam type(MS) MythSearchertalk 03:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Official name of Char Aznable's actual clone

    His name (アフランシ・シャア) should be "Afranshia Char", or "Afransia Char"?? -- Red Kid 9:24 PM May 29, 2006 (UTC)

    Afranshia, probably. Oyo321 23:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Question

    This is more of a question to adults, scientists or mathematicians... so I am prefering more of a professional answer to this question, so I do not want any opinions on this.

    Does anybody know if the construction of a gundam, and the functioning of it are possible without defying any of those common Newton's, Einstein's "Laws?" Oyo321 16:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Gundam Evolution

    Since there seems to be something of a struggle here, probably wise to start a discussion. Basically, I'm for including a link to the Gundam Evolution message board because it's staffed by the majority of the former staff of Bandai's own GOUF message board and hosts various in depth discussion with notable members like Mark Simmons. MAHQ just seems to get noted on these articles by default. It has a massive mecha database but as several people have noted it's not flawless. I don't see why it's so wrong to have a link to both, especially since GE actually has had a connection with Bandai in the past whilst MAHQ's connection seems to have stopped at news from Jerry Chu. GE also presents very in depth discussion which provides elaboration on various ignored Gundam mysteries as well as common held misconceptions.--HellCat86 13:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

    • Well, I just think it's against Wikipedia:External links guideline. But since you're so insist... L-Zwei 14:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm not trying to be a jerk about it, I just feel for the stated reasons it's worth linking too. The site in a previous form had partly Bandai's blessing and alot of useful information comes up in the discussions including topics most other Gundam boards don't touch.--HellCat86 15:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Still, it's forum. I'm no loger against add it in external link section, but instead of trying to dodge it around, lets bravely accept that "It's forum and against WP:EL, but I think it worth to mention!!". By the way, you said previous form? So what about current form? L-Zwei 16:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Correct pronunciation for Gundam?

    Is the correct pronunciation for Gundam, Gun-Dam or Gun-Dum? I believe it's Gun-Dum. I think the correct pronunciation should be added to the article.
    For example: Gundam (ガンダム Gandamu; pronounced _______?) is one of the longest running series of anime featuring mecha. Silver Edge 04:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

    The correct pronunciation of a foreign or artificial word is usually determined from the pronounciation of the word by the main characters.

    [edit] Supposed linkspam

    Ok, we really need to iron this out. ESPECIALLY since certain editors are showing bias towards MAHQ. Links as of current edit and my opinion on their use:

    • Official US and Japanese sites- goes without saying these should be linked to.
    • MAHQ- Certainly a useful site but it's not official. The mecha section has been cited for making assumptions and giving out incorrect info.
    • Gunota Headlines- Reliable and up to date source for Gundam news, especially for those of us who can't read Japanese.
    • Gundam Evolution- I've already argued for this one and stand by my view. This board was originally a fan board, was adopted as the model (along with it's staff) for Bandai's own official Gundam forum and now that has ended has resumed being a fan maintained resource. Add in the place holds alot of discussion beyond the done-a-thousand-times "What's your favourite Gundam?" nonsese and I think it more than deserves to be recognised here.--HellCat86 00:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

    Hmm...I think you're one who bias against MAHQ. But lets discuss it using WP:EL guideline instead of our opinion, alright?

    • About MAHQ - while contain some mistake, it's not bad enough to fall into 2nd type of Links normally to be avoided (but if you think it is,lets change topic to discuss about that) and most of MS's articles cited it as source.
    • Gunota Headlines and Gundam Evolution - are blog and forum so they're 9th type of Links normally to be avoided. However, handful of article cited Gunota Headlines as source so I think it's worth keeping. I haven't seen Gundam Evolution got cited yet, but if it's truely worth to mention here, you shouldn't have problem to point me out (or add some).L-Zwei 07:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

    I'm not showing any bias to MAHQ. If I were, I would have deleted it. I'm all for it being linked, my argument is against those who go out of there way to protect said links but snipe other noteable fan maintained resources. For Gundam Evolution- as I already pointed out, the place was initially a fan run forum (under the name Gundam Watch) before becoming the basis for Bandai's own Gundam Official User Forum. When Bandai chose to abandon that project, GE carried on as back to a fan resource. If something works well enough that the official owners adopt it, I think that already makes it worthy of mention. The topics discussed there are also fairly noteworthy. Most Gundam forums read like "In episode so and so, why did what's his name do such and such?" or in the worst cases are full of useless fluff like "Wuts yor fave GUndaM?". I'm not trying to badmouth other fan forums (certainly there are good ones out there) but I believe for the purpose of this article GE deserves to be highlighted in External Links--HellCat86 16:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

    • Not that I plan to remove it, but I won't oppose whoever remove it either. It just that despite being good forum, it's still a forum and forum is against WP:EL(to somebody, good and bad is just opinion). As I said previously, it would be much more comfortable if you just cited it as source in handful of articles. Tell you the truth, there are ton of false info in Gundam articles here, go fix some of them and cite GE (put link to the thread in talk page of article is best method, I think) and that would prove its worthness. Not just about forum, but whatever good thing is worthless if you can't utilize it.L-Zwei 17:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
    Regarding "Gundam Evolution Message Board", I don't think it qualifies as a quality external link. First, Forums are usually not accepted per our external link guidelines. And second, the fact that some moderators that were in the official forum now are there does not constitute a strong notability to reinsert it. However, I will leave the editors of this page to review the situation. I know at least one wants the link inserted, so I will like to listen to other opinions. -- ReyBrujo 18:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    I've already given my view. Gundam Evolution certainly retains a closer link to being 'official' then MAHQ does, and I see no great rush to remove that page. I've even added a note in the article which I believe justifies the link.--HellCat86 18:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    The forum alone has 986 members, three times the amount of members GEMB has. Also, it seems a suitable external link because I believe it is not only a forum (the external link guidelines oppose against forums-only, not against fan sites with content, although only one should be added). If it settles for you, I suggest removing all the fan external links, I have no problem with that. -- ReyBrujo 19:14, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    Is everyone just ignoring the fact that Gundam Evolution was what Bandai's own attempt at such a forum was based on and staffed by? The amount of members MAHQ's forum has in contrast is irrelevant.--HellCat86 19:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    That has no relevance for the external link. We classify them according to usefulness and notability. The only notability claim is that some people who used to be in an official forum are now there. Those few people aren't notable enough to give the forum notability enough for inclusion. -- ReyBrujo 19:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    'Some people'? The only ones who bowed out are the 2 original owners and one mod for career reasons. Other than that it's the same place just under a different name. The same place using the exact same staff that GOUF did. Having once been part of that staff, I should know. It IS noteable and nothing you say can change that.--HellCat86 20:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    Let's put it this way: why the original forum was notable? Because of the people in the forum, or because it was an official forum backed up by Bandai? -- ReyBrujo 20:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    The forum was originally a fan maintained one, called Gundam Watch. When Bandai decided to try their own official fan forum, they came to the administration of GW and said "We like your style. May we use your rules, staff, etc in creating our own official forum for fan discussion?". It was agreed on and GOUF was created. When Bandai elected not to continue with GOUF, the staff brought back the independent GW. When the current GW owners chose to bow out, the remaining staff chose to keep it going under the name of Gundam Evolution. Other than the name change, it's essentially identical. The forum itself holds a range of discussion with various individuals (I hate to throw his name around, but Mark Simmons is a regular there) on many in depth Gundam topics that most other forums don't cover. Personally, if you don't consider the fact that Bandai themself consulted and 'hired' this place to maintain the official US Gundam forum as noteable, I REALLY have to wonder why.--HellCat86 20:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    I am only checking whether the external link is notable enough to be included or not. I know Gundam as I know many other anime series, but I don't care about fan groups, so I am pretty neutral. As I stated, if the solution is to remove every fan link, I would have no problem with that. You have made your position clear. Hopefully others will also give their opinions about this matter. -- ReyBrujo 20:35, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    Why is "Gundam Evolution" still listed? It's clear that the only person who keeps adding that back in is HellCat86, who appears to be the poster boy for that forum anyway. But I digress; it's not an appropriate link. Sure, I've read the tired "oh well it had ties to GOUF" but frankly that's hardly a reason. Clearly by promoting this forum over the other myriads of Gundam forum shows favoritism, and besides, it's a FORUM. There is a reason something like MAHQ is listed, because it actually has information and factual evidence. This "Gundam Evolution" is just another Gundam Forum, no matter what this HellCat86 person tries to market it as.-- HMRising 18:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
    MAHQ is still just a fansite, so technically is still held by the same logic. Your argument here is "I think THIS fansite is more important then THAT one, therefore the one I hold preference too stays". I'm sorry, but if you don't consider a license holder specifically 'hiring' fans to handle an official project to be notable then I wonder why. It's the most current version of said project and even though it has returned to being fan operated that doesn't change it's history.--HellCat86 02:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
    No, my argument is not that. And unfortunately for you, you are the one who is doing that; you even admitted earlier to advocating about removing MAHQ, but zealously supported "Gundam Evolution". I am not arguing in favor of MAHQ, I was merely presenting a logical comparison between the two links. Also, I do find it rather funny that you quoted "'hiring'"; which acknowledges that such the occupation was not, in actuality, formal nor official. And besides, it was an Internet forum; hardly a lucrative position. Honestly, you need to get off your high horse about it. Likewise, your longwinded tirade of it's "history" is not topical nor relevant; no one is denying it (nor supporting it besides yourself), but what of its current dealings? It's simply against WP:EL, but you continue to post it anyway. Really, all you're doing is adding the link for free advertising of your "once-official" forum. Truly quite pathetic that you're getting away with it.--HMRising 17:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
    Actually, I have no major fault with MAHQ. I'm simply annoyed at those who think it's the only Gundam fansite articles should link to. And ease off on the mudslinging. For your information, I used 'hiring' as the forum staff were not on Bandai's payroll. The positions however and the forum itself were quite official.--HellCat86 04:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Gundam Unicorn

    It'be great if the Gundam Unicorn article could be added into all the links and whatnot, just so it's acknoledged as being in production.

    Where you heard it's in production? So far Gunota Headlines has no such info and there was a thread back at MAHQ's message board [3] which turn out that it's still just a novel. No information if it will get animate or not. L-Zwei 06:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
    That's what I mean. We do novels on Wiki as well. SOrry for the misunderstanding, perhaps the word "publishing" would have been better.--Avitar Diggs 10:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] 0079

    The "0079" nickname, is not only used by english-speaking fans, but by every fans. Japanese too. I'm going to revert again.Lord Air 08:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

    In Japan, Gundam 0079 is a set of diverse One-Year-War manga and games that didn't come out until 13 years after the first Gundam series came out. Japanese fans don't refer to the first Gundam series as Gundam 0079 because of the confusion that would cause with those projects. In Japan, both creators and fans have nicknamed the first Gundam series "First Gundam," not "Gundam 0079." Try to find a Japanese reference to the first Gundam series as "Gundam 0079," and you will find that they actually refer to those later projects. Egan Loo 13:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
    The fact would still remain that it is not used by English speaking fans only. The Chinese Gundam community also uses 0079 as first Gundam quite often, although senior ones keep poping up saying it is not the correct usage, it never really stopped being refered as 0079. MythSearchertalk 18:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
    I see your point. It should be reworded to "overseas fans" or "foreign fans" then. I'll go ahead and do that. Egan Loo 18:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] timelines

    Hi, I just wanted to pull everyone's attention to the point that there is no timelines listed on the page as what YEAR each Gundam series was released. because I can see amuro taking out few zeon mobiles with a "HUGE light saber"??? so 1979 is also the year the STAR WARS came out and i am thinking which one took inspiratin from whom. similarly IRONMAN from Marvel comes later than IRONMAN 028 manga. so no one noticed that i guess. any ways , timelines please. thanks Danraz 13:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

    • Actually, Star Wars was released in 1977. Tomino has acknowldged Star Wars as an influence on Gundam but such notes should be put in this and any other article in a respectable manner, not "ZOMG it rips off Star Wars!!"--HellCat86 13:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] New Gundam Musou import footage

    It's another Gundam game! I swear they are pumping these out every month in Japan. Gamevideos snatched some cool import gameplay, it kinda looks like a Dynasty Warriors with robots.

    http://gamevideos.com/video/id/9647.

    -Jay

    • Uh, it doesn't look like a Dynasty Warriors game, in fact it it one, but a Gundam version of it. Same developer, logo (almost the same).

    [edit] Gundamology link

    • I'm not big on link spam but come on. It's a Gundam Wiki which we're trying to build support for, especially in the light of Wiki's recent attitude. If it had 0 articles I'd understand but it has a steady number and growing. Part of linking it here was in the hopes of getting it further built up. It's not harming anyone by being linked--HellCat86 10:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] "Sentient" Gundams

    Although no Gundam has ever been definitively stated as being sentient, there has been debate by fans over events in Gundam Wing which depict at least three Gundams acting on their own or in some way interacting with the pilot in a manner other than normal. The primary two to be concerned with are Wing Zero and Epyon. Heero speaks to Zero as if holding a conversation with it in episode 44 of the series. He also speaks to Epyon during episode 37, Zero vs. Epyon, while Zechs talks to Zero which appears to answer questions aimed at the machines operating system, such as the fate of the Sanc Kingdom. When Zechs demands to know what the point of the battle he is fighting with Zero is, Zero appears to 'respond' (we are told it's response through dialogue from Zechs) that the point is to kill everyone who's come to kill Zechs. This battle however, pushed both pilots to the point of collapse. During this conflict, Heero tells Zechs to ask Zero if he (Heero) is an enemy, indicating that Zero itself somehow has the capability to communicate with humans, as does Epyon.

    At the end of the episode, Heero and Zechs exchange Gundams, but continue to act in a manner as if the two machines are somehow alive or intelligent on their own. In episode, number 49 which was entitled The Final Victor, Heero calls upon Zero for help, with the excat phrase "Zero, please guide me through this." And the system responds to the plea. Furthermore, Heero continues this course of reference to Zero during Endless waltz when talking to Wu Fei saying "Zero will not tell me anything". He also speaks directly to Zero directly before he takes the suit to the scene of the headquarters of the Barton Foundation, where Zero essentially disintegrates.

    Briefly in the first part of the Gundam Wing series, Quatre, Wu Fei, and Duo prepare to make their escape back into outer space, and Quatre prepares to sacrifce his own life by activating the self-destruct device in episode 17. During this battle, Quatre speaks directly to Sandrock, urging it back to it's feet after it is struck by a powerful rocket from an opposing mobile suit. After the activation of Sandrock's self-destruct mechanism, the machine opens it's entry hatch of it's own accord to allow Quatre time to escape. It also moves on it's own to confront the oncoming mobile suits attempting to stop their escape.

    Fans have picked up on this and in some fanfiction, the Gundams have been depicted as not only sentient, but capable of speech.

    In short, the qualifying statement about the fan debate over whether or not certain Gundams, specifically Zero and Epyon, is a legitimate addition to the current statement that the machines themselves are not usually sentient. Please refrain from removing this statement in the future.

    Warwolf1 09:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

    The problem is, starting from the very first Gundam, RX-78-2, all Gundams have the ability to be programed and run on its own with preset actions. This happened in MSG's famous last shooting scene, where both Gundam and Zeong head was set to shoot at each other and result in a stalemate without hurting both pilots. Sandrock example is one of the obvious example of this, and Zero system simply returns possible outcome of any inquiry actions, and thus Heero got his answer. The only sentient Gundam by far is probably all from the UC timeline, the first one being S Gundam with ALICE onboard in Gundam Sentinel. second is EXAM system installed BD-1, BD-2 and BD-3, in which a Newtype soul was sealed inside the EXAM system and got emotion since it is essentially a human, the third store that got sentient Gundam is F90, where one of them is installed with a system called A.R. that basically acts as Amuro Ray and another called C.A. Char Aznable which showed a specific level of emotion when meeting the other as the two have fought in One Year War. The fourth is a suit in Crossbone Gundam, where multiple brains of Amuro Ray was cloned and the one that gives out brainwaves closes to Amuro was placed inside the suit. It thanked and saved Tobio in the story after it was destroyed after an unwilling battle. 1, 2 are canon and 3, 4 are not(yet published by official sources), while 1, 2 and 4 specified the suits to have their own will and can act on their own, not like the fan speculated Wing series suits. Which are from the romanatic views of fans who have never even thought of auto-piloting.
    Fan cruff is not suitable in wikipedia, fan speculation and fanfiction have no place here at all. MythSearchertalk 10:10, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
    I'd add the Devil Gundam. We even see it use Ulube as an avatar to communicate its thoughts--HellCat86 10:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
    I thought it is his own will, and it is not specified that it has its own thought and will in the series, unlike the samples I have added that is very specific on the sheer will and mind on the machines instead of controlling the pilots that might have their own free will. MythSearchertalk 15:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

    I'm going to remove any entries of sentient MS from articles as OR, which it is. Nothing is ever said about it in the series or any other published material. Jtrainor 20:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Gundam Century

    Since even the Gundam Officials and director acknowledge Gundam Century, I think it is at least notable enough to be mentioned in the Gundam article since itself is a notability guide of Gundam. Since it was removed immediately after I added in the info, I guess I should try to discuss this before readding it in. Maybe it is just because of my poor English and need of refining of words. MythSearchertalk 19:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] nonsensical

    To an outsider this article just doesn't seem to flow very well and makes next to no sense. I've even seen one of the shows and it makes no sense to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.229.4 (talk) 04:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] How can the Heavy Gundam be more significant in showing a non-human face than the mono-eye Gundam?

    Please also stop adding too much detail into the article, the examples are meant to be simple and obvious, not extremely detail and hard to tell the difference. Sorry if it is not your favourite unit that got a place there, but removing the ones that you do not know and placing something that is not that much different from the others is not a good idea. If you insist to change and lengthen the page, it is just going to become a plain speculation section(which it already is) and WP:OR certifies certain deletion acts. MythSearchertalk 18:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Proposal of the removal of the Distintive Characteristic section examples

    Since the anon user refused to communicate before adding more inappropriate OR and replacing obvious example with his own example, the next edit will be considered vandalism. Also, since the section is so controversial, I propose the removal of such section or at least remove the examples to stop suggesting anons from adding in their own OR in to the paragraph. MythSearchertalk 05:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)