Talk:Gun politics in the United States

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[edit] Gun laws and un-known weapons

someone can make a gun/gun like weapon to avoid laws. A rail driver is only a rail gun when you call it a gun there are so many loop holes Dudtz 8/25/05 6:14 PM EST

Someone cannot mass produce guns so easily. User:unknown

As a person who owns a small gun manufacturer, I'll tell you the machinery required to manufacture guns can be obtained via a signature loan, and the plans required are freely available on the internet.


[edit] State Organizations

I saw a number of Michigan groups added today, and I wanted to know if the "Organizations" section should be limited to National organizations. I fear that the section could become ridiculous with every chapter of every group, gun club, and every state organization being listed. It is already quite long, perhaps this could be spun into a new page or two (Pro-gun organizations, and Anti-Gun organizations)

[edit] DC gun law

From:http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/State/State.aspx?st=dc POSSESSION

Rifles and Shotguns

All rifles and shotguns must be registered with the Metropolitan Police. To obtain a registration certificate, the applicant must be 21 years old (or be over 18 and have a liability statement signed by his guardian), pass a vision test or have a valid D.C. driver`s license, and not be:


1. Convicted of a crime of violence or a weapons offense.
  2. Under indictment for a crime of violence.
  3. Convicted of a narcotics or an assault or battery charge within the last five years.
  4. Acquitted of a crime by reason of insanity or adjudicated an alcoholic within the past five years.
  5. Committed to a mental hospital within the past five years.
  6. Suffering from a physical defect which might render his possession of a gun unsafe.
  7. Found negligent in any firearm mishap.

Why would an 18 year old have a guardian? Dudtz 10/15/06

[edit] Thanks...

Good job neutering the article. Comparing it to the March version, we have far fewer facts and citations especially in the pro gun rights parts of the article.

Whoever is the politically motivated censor - good job. You are a credit to the kinds of fools that are ruining Wikipedia.

I'm going to revert about 500 changes in this article in the next few days, putting back in all the information which was deleted.

[edit] Types of firearms section

I removed this section, as it read more like a technical brief than something relevant to the politics.--Cubic Hour (talk) 14:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

it's fundamental to a discussion of the issue of gun politics in the united states. material restored. Anastrophe (talk) 14:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Why?--Cubic Hour (talk) 14:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
have you bothered to actually read the material you deleted? it goes into depth about why the types of firearms are relevant. Anastrophe (talk) 14:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
The sarcasm isn't helpful, son. Any grown ups here care to comment?--Cubic Hour (talk) 14:58, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
have you bothered to actually read the material you deleted? please answer. your own sarcasm isn't helpful either. Anastrophe (talk) 15:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I have learned from reading books about this topic that in the last century, the politics of guns in the US has revolved around the types of guns, both on the 'gun rights' side, with a special emphasis on the beneficial culture of hunting with long guns, and the heroic imagery of creating a country with militia rifles and 'taming the West' with revolvers; and on the 'gun control' side with episodic public outrages based on perceptions of crime involving the so called 'Saturday Night Special' handguns (coming from media reports of Urban crime), from the 'Tommy Gun' (from media reports of gangsters), and from 'gang bangers' (again, filtered through media). These public perceptions focus on types of guns, which mold the political forces. Therefore a section on 'types of firearems' makes perfect sense in this article. SaltyBoatr (talk) 15:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
which is all explained within the material Cubic Hour deleted, obviously without having read it.Anastrophe (talk) 15:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Anastrophe, please read up on WP:NPA. Thanks. --Cubic Hour (talk) 15:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
likewise. ("any grown ups care to comment?"). Anastrophe (talk) 15:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I think that if both salty and anastrophe are agreeing on something that ought to be included in the article that it pretty much SHOULD be, unless the person disagreeing has a very valid and compelling argument. 172.164.21.62 (talk) 05:51, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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