Talk:Gulfstream G650

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[edit] Official Page

Here is the official Gulfstream G650 page with technical specs and stuff: http://www.gulfstream.com/gulfstreamg650/ swaq 21:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Cool. I found that myself and added it to the External links section. The web page uses the flash graphics/animation. Better have a fast connection to easily navigate it. -Fnlayson (talk) 03:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I added the specs from there and press release. I guess the crew of 4 includes 2 pilots and 2 attendants. I'm used to listing only flight or mission (military) crew. -Fnlayson (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for getting to that, Jeff. My comp had trouble loading the specs page, so I nevr good add that myself. I added this page in a hurry, as often pages on newly announced aircraft get put up by editors who aren't familiar with WP:AIR's layout, and it becomes difficult to make changes. Also, as soon as anyone thinks we have enough info from the available sources, go ahead and remove the {{underconstruction}} tag - I added mainly to keep over-eager recent changes patrollers from deleting it before I had my ducks in a row, especially on sources. - BillCJ (talk) 04:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
  • The 12 configurations available for the standard executive cabins range from 11- 16 passengers with up to 6 crew including attendants. The minimum flight crew for this class of aircraft is 2. I changed the specs to reflect this. Technically, since the press release mentions the possibility of three-abreast seating and Gulfstream sets seat pitch to coincide with windows, 24 passengers is a possible but not likely configuration.24.6.198.12 (talk) 03:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Since you edited the page to 18(!), I'll assume you found another source besides Gulfstream. In any case, I said including attendants for a reason. On long stage lengths, of 12-14 hours, part of the crew compliment will be one or two relief pilots. Personally, I think "2 - 6, including attendants" is more descriptive, but then, I wrote it. :~) 24.6.198.12 (talk) 03:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I added the Flightgloabal reference to the top of the table for the 18 passengers part. The G650 page on the Cabin tab says 11 - 18 as well. Typically the minimum flight crew number is listed. So I don't think relief pilots would count there. Sorry, the 2 - 6 wording didn't seem that clear before. Not sure if the Spec references cover the crew details. -Fnlayson (talk) 03:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Building a team

  • Honeywell and Goodrich are on the program as subcontractors. Probably are or will be several other major ones. -Fnlayson (talk) 03:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Rolls-Royce is designing the BR725 engines, but I don't know if they are considered a partner, ot just a subcontractor. RR had a announcement today too. - BillCJ (talk) 04:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I was thinking of adding a subcontractor list type sentence similar to the one here. That and add some general design info from the press release/articles seem to be only things that can reasonably be added now. -Fnlayson (talk) 05:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Related designs

I put the G550 as a related desing in the "See also" section, but I've not seen anything that clearly states whether the G650 is derived from the G550, or if it is a clean-sheet design. Almost all of Gulfstreams pervious designs are at least based on preceding ones, so I would guess this in the case here. - BillCJ (talk) 04:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

According to the News Release on the Gulfstream website their flight decks share the "same basic layout" and "the G650 retains the G550 heated fuel return system but adds a new Fuel Quantity Monitoring System (FQMS)". I would imagine there are other shared components too, but it's hard to say if the design is based on the G550. swaq 15:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Page 15 of the official G650 brochure states "clean sheet design". It has a new fuselage cross section, new wings, new flight controls (GS's first FBW), the empennage is built with composites. The only bit that isn't new is the engines, the 725s being an evolution of the 710s on the 500/550. I'd vote for removing the related design bit other than the fact that it looks like a Gulfstream.24.6.198.12 (talk) 07:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

While we shouldn't put the G550 or any other Gulfstream aircraft in the Infobox fields ("Developed from" or "Variants" field), I do think there's enough of a connection in the ino you listed to keep it in the "Related designs". That section is for more than just directly related designs, so I think the G550, with its similar cockpit and related engines, is fine for now. - BillCJ (talk) 08:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

This link: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/03/14/222221/gulfstream-raises-the-bar-with-g650.html states that this is a clean-sheet aircraft (the first for Gulfstream since the G2).192.93.163.1 (talk) 17:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)