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[edit] Difficulty in Viewing High Score List - Same between versions?

On the PS2 version of Guitar Hero 2, the only way to view the high score list for a song is to complete the song in Quick Play mode. This can be very annoying, especially on very long songs or songs that you can't consistently beat. Is this different on any of the other versions? 67.64.157.154 20:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes between ps2/360

Does anyone else think that the changes between them should be noted? I can't remember them all but a few do come to mind besides the song list. Axel Steel has an altered costume that features a mustache in 360. There are advertisements for Vault all over the game including bottles in the Red Octane arena and banners to the sides of the stage at the Warped Tour. I'm sure there are more changes but those are what come to mind. Are they noteworthy enough to include in the page? --TopherRocks 07:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Xbox 360 downloadable tracks leak

I added some news I found earlier to the XBox 360 dl tracks. I'm not sure if this has been discussed already. Demoman87 04:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it's been erased... An explanation would be nice :D Demoman87 18:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Two song lists

Do we really need two song lists? I think that one would be enough. 76.24.76.234 19:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

If it was as simple as noting that the 360 has one extra song in each set, sure, but since many songs have been moved between sets, there's no easy way to describe the set list for both the PS2 and 360 version with a single list. --Masem 19:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wii/DS

I'm almost certain that Wii and DS versions of this game were rumors only.

Ultim87 02:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

They are not rumors, they were confirmed in Gamespot inverviews. Doshindude 20:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Wii and DS Guitar Heroes have been confirmed, but we have no info on the DS version and the Wii Version is really Guitar Hero III Ultim87 02:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Custom songs

Should this article make reference to the popularity of custom song creation using a modded PS2 and what not? The site , [www.scorehero.com], that describes exactly how to add the custom games is sponsored by Harmonix.. which indicates to me that they support it in some capacity.. might be worth a mention. --Energyst 04:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

We would need mention from independent reliable sources to add that. -- Kesh 04:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Joystiq and 1up both mention it. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/23/play-custom-songs-on-hacked-guitar-hero-ii/ At the time I'm posting this, 1up is down, so I can't provide a link to their site, but that's the one to Joystiq. -- Mellesime 04:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
That Joystiq ref looks pretty small. It might be considered too trivial to be a good source.--Drat (Talk) 09:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To Unlock Pro Face-Off

I don't know how to prove this, but Pro Face-Off mode is unlockable through ANY difficulty level. Easy included. The unlock screens in order, after five-starring Easy mode:

USA guitar

Fish guitar

Pro Face-Off mode

I'm already sick of having to rechange this data on the page. Sensei Le Roof 23:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not the one changing it, but I'm seeing conflicting information on the web; many places say any difficulty, more seem to say medium difficulty. Can I ask, what version did you play? Maybe this is a PS2 vs 360 difference?
Does the manual say anything about this? I'll take a look to see when I get a chance. --Masem 00:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

PS2. And I just checked the manual... it states "Finish any Career level to unlock this mode." (Emphasis mine.) Sensei Le Roof 22:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It might be so that if you five-star Easy before completing Medium, you unlock the Pro Face-Off aswell. But since the talk page is not really for guessing, and we tend to make Wikipedia per WP:V, information should be only gathered from trusted sources and as less original research as possible.
And the game manual isn't a trusted source?! Sensei Le Roof 21:59, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

According to a Gamefaqs codes list, you'll get Pro Face-Off while clearing Medium or higher. I also got the mode only after clearing Medium, and I was using a PS2 PAL version. ~Iceshark7 21:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] There is an Xbox 360 song list error

Carry On Wayward Son and Shout at the Devil are incorrectly placed in the 360 list. They should be reversed. "Shout" is the encore of the first group, not "Carry".

This has been now fixed by Livewire. Thanks for your point! ~Iceshark7 21:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] reception/awards table out of hand

I recommend that we split the table; keep the review scores in one or two separate tables (by platform) but awards should be summarized in a two-column list; as it is, it's starting to cause funny rendering problems. (Unfortunately I don't see any recommended practice on what review tables should be like, and many of the FAs for computer games DON'T have tables...maybe we want to summarize a lot here...) --Masem 06:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] maybe its my xbox?

but i tried my guitar hero 2 and it diddnt work and i tried my friends guitar hero and it diddnt work, but it plays on his 360. any ideas? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.195.180.103 (talk • contribs).

You might want to try a forum, such as GameFAQS or something. --Garfunkle20 22:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Downloadable Content

This statement was previously written in the game's infancy, and it is appropriate to write it as a speculative possibility and not a guarantee of the game's future downloadable content quantity ranking. The company has yet to act on their now outdated statement, and I feel it should be written in this manner. Three song packs is light years away from being the "most" content by any standard. Numerous other games' DLC out ranks the game in file size, quality, cost, or quantity. J.reed 02:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Co-Op Star Power

This isn't the first place I've seen it claimed that both players must simultaneously engage in star power for it to work. In general, I haven't found this to be necessary. Further, my brother owns the game (X360) and has one broken controller (works except can't deploy star power); however, in playing co-op with him, so long as the good controller deploys star power, it always works. Any thoughts? Topher0128

The broken controller must always have the tilt sensor in the up position because you absolutely must engage at the same time. If one person tries to release star power and the other doesn't, a message will start blinking, informing one of the players he is not engaging star power. Y2kcrazyjoker4 18:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

This is how the article, as of July 20, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: pass.
2. Factually accurate?: a few sections, such as Career mode, are entirely unsourced. Source the game manual or whatever, but source it- in addition, the references should be formatted and filled in as much as possible per the {{Template:Cite web}} doc.
3. Broad in coverage?: perhaps too much so. I suggest moving the songs list to a separate article.
4. Neutral point of view?: pass.
5. Article stability? pass
6. Images?: all images need additional fair use rationale. See the screenshots of Halo 2 for an example. In addition, why the use of screenshots if just to say 'PS2 version'? That makes the images unnecessary. FU Images should only be used to illustrate a particular part of the game and provide commentary. (note: removed one extra image, provided better captions for images to show gameplay elements, added FUR to all 3 other pictures --Masem 15:24, 20 July 2007 (UTC))

When these issues are addressed, the article will be reconsidered. Thank you for your work so far. — David Fuchs (talk) 02:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, screw that, sorry. I meant to put down the 'on hold' template. There are the issues, which I stated above, but nothing that can't be taken care of in a few days. David Fuchs (talk) 13:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Moving the song list to a new article... really? Is that entirely necessary? This game is all about playing rock songs and enjoying the musical experience. I'm not quite sure what moving the track list to a new article accomplishes, except for requiring additional clicks to find relevant information. Moving the songs elsewhere seems like it ruins the context of the article. If anything, a video game such as this should have the soundtrack included directly in the article because the songs are a significant part of the gameplay. Whereas in a game like Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, the music is in the background or on the radio and it does not impact the gameplay. Y2kcrazyjoker4 15:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I know what you mean, but I thought about it before moving it and looking at how it looks after, and I think it does help. There's a discontinuous flow of information with the song list in place which can now be tightened up without the weight of the song list there. Also, by WP:BETTER, we were already approaching the appropriate page size, and WP really suggests that if you can break out part of an article as a sub-article that can stand alone, then it should be done. Plus even though we're not saying the songs here are a soundtrack of the likes of Grant Theft Auto 3 Soundtrack (since the songs are more equivalent to different levels than to background music), this puts us better in line with many WP:CVG articles that have separate soundtrack pages. (you posted before I finished this, but I still think it's necessary to mention).
That said, I think it's perfectly fair to add a FEW representative samples of the scope of the works in the game (I would include at least Freebird and Jordan in those examples), but we have to be very selective and make sure people don't add their favorites. I would only include those works that have had a notable citation as being including in GHII (such as any article that explains that Buckethead created Jordan specifically for the game). --Masem 15:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Ehh, I'm not so sure. It will be impossible to agree on a select list of songs because people will always edit in/out others out of disagreement. Either way... if that were to be the agreed solution, what would you propose doing for other games in the Guitar Hero series, or even Rock Band? If we follow your suggestions for Guitar Hero II article concering the soundtrack, we would likely need to make some changes to other articles for consistency's sake... Y2kcrazyjoker4 15:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Yea, I know that selecting examples can be tempting random drive-by additions, but if we qualify that they have to be very relevant examples (again, "Jordan" is one) with cited sources, it will be much easier to police (look at how much we already have to do to police the lists for GH1 and 2 just from vandals). As for the other articles, I would say yes for consistency, but ONLY after the game has been released, when the full track list is confirmed; at the present these pages are basically probably the best pages for the current news on the game on the net so they are updated frequently, but once they go from future to released game, we need to nail them down as more proper encyclopedia offers. I am not dead set on the external list idea, I'm in favor of it, but I think that without seeing it in place it would have been impossible to judge if we want to go with that indefinitely or revert - fixing it is easy enough if there's enough push to go back. --Masem 16:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
If you do end up mentioning some significant tracks, I'd say you'd probably have to include "John the Fisherman" as one of them--it's the first master track to be in the main career path instead of being an unlockable bonus. Rdfox 76 16:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to get some other thoughts on this before we settle for a final decision, but I just want to emphasize again that the songs in the Guitar Hero series play a much more important role in terms of gameplay in this video game than music does in most games. I'm interested in what kind of consensus we reach because this could potentially impact all music video games and their respective articles on Wikipedia. Y2kcrazyjoker4 18:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't think all music video game soundtracks should be moved out of articles - it is a case by case issue, size of the songlist verse the size of the article. On the GH articles, it's justified, while on, say Elite Beat Agents, it's much smaller and making a separate article would be difficult. But I can't define a hard line for when a split is necessary or not, it's just that GHII's is decidedly heavy to be a likely split. And again, I understand the need to stress that the songs are integral to GHII moreso than other soundtracks, I'm trying to think of this more from a MOS approach. --Masem 20:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Just noting that you have until tomorrow (7 days since review) for it to pass GAC. Don't worry if you can't get it done this time, you can always resubmit it. David Fuchs (talk) 13:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, we're lacking a few references for a couple gameplay elements and for some print magazines. If anyone can help, that would be great. --Masem 17:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
While some of the refs aren't entirely formatted and some sections are sparse in terms of refs, I still feel confident that you'll improve it, so I'll pass as GA. In terms of going for FAC, they'll be anal about every little detail, so I suggest besides the sourcing doing a runthrough to make sure the prose is as good as it can be. Good editing, David Fuchs (talk) 14:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Free images of the 2 guitar controllers

I think showing what the game's controllers look like would add a lot to this article. Can anyone provide free images of both the cherry red Gibson SG guitar and the white Gibson X-Plorer guitar? I could provide a photo of the second, but the guitar is covered with stickers and is not preferrable for showing what the guitar looks like. Y2kcrazyjoker4 18:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, we got a picture of the cherry red Gibson SG controller. Can anyone do the same for their X-Plorer controller? Y2kcrazyjoker4 20:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Career Citations

Does anyone have any idea where to get some citations for the information in the career section per the GA review? The official site had a list of a characters, but I can't find a list of venues anywhere honestly.

http://www.fullspectrumottawa.com/exposure/exposure_guitar_hero_ii_song_list.php - Found a short list of the venues with descriptions of their locations. Not sure if applicable for the entire information found from the Career section, but I added the reference anyway. ~Iceshark7 11:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Set List?

What happened to the set list? That was a great feature of this article. GH1 still it's set list up! For example: Main setlist

1. Opening Licks

   * "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" – Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
   * "I Wanna Be Sedated" – The Ramones
   * "Thunder Kiss '65" – White Zombie
   * "Smoke on the Water" – Deep Purple
   * "Infected" – Bad Religion

2. Axe-Grinders

   * "Iron Man" – Black Sabbath
   * "More Than a Feeling" – Boston
   * "You Got Another Thing Comin'" – Judas Priest
 ETC....

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.73.204.62 (talk • contribs) 2007-07-26.

The list has just been moved to a different article to trim the size (see the GA review above). You can find it at List of songs in Guitar Hero II. --Masem 01:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Units sold?

This sentence is in the article:

In total, Guitar Hero II has sold over 3 million copies.

And that's according to this citation: [1] I'd like to clarify the sentence by saying "In total, Guitar Hero II has sold over 3 million copies as of [date]", but I can't access the article -- it's one of those NY Times online things you have to register an account for. Could anyone help me out? It'd also be nice to know if this number is referring to the amount sold on both platforms or just on PS2/360. Pele Merengue 20:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

When in doubt, always try Google News (since they have partner linkage). Here's your article in question, but I would NOT link that in the article itself since we're bypassing a partnering agreement. However, do make sure all the references are correct from it. --Masem 20:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. Found the sentence:
About three million copies of Guitar Hero 2 have been sold for PlayStation 2 and Xbox 360, according to Harmonix and RedOctane.
And I'll change the one in the article to this:
As of July 17, 2007, about 3 million units of Guitar Hero II have sold on PlayStation 2 and Xbox 360.
Thanks for your help. Pele Merengue 11:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stickers

Would anyone like to mention the set of stickers that accompanies the guitar/game bundle which can be used to customize the guitar controller? Discgolfrules 17:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Why is that notable or important? Y2kcrazyjoker4 21:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I assumed most people customized their real-life guitars with the provided stickers, but if that's not important or common knowledge then I guess it doesn't have to be in the article. Glad I used the talk page instead of the article itself. Discgolfrules 02:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

If you have an image of a set of stickers, then adding the image into the article is definitely not bad. The article is in need of images, and if better ones pop up, old ones can be removed. It doesn't need to be notable because it is related to Guitar Hero II, and the stickers are a big part on decorating the guitar. (Besides, how many people even knows that you get a free set of stickers with the package?) ~Iceshark7 10:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I disagree strongly with this. I cannot remember a GHII review that even mentions the stickers, and the stickers themselves have no effect on gameplay, so it does not need an image of the stickers. Maybe you can include a very brief note on this in the guitar section, but I wouldn't not put anymore than a part of a sentence towards the stickers.--Masem 11:57, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't need to be notable? That would violate Wikipedia's policy on the subject (WP:Notable). Just because something is relevant to the article doesn't necessarily make it worth including in the article. Furthermore, adding a picture of the stickers for decorative purposes just because the article lacks pictures is also against Wikipedia's policy on pictures. Y2kcrazyjoker4 12:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
So, can we add a short sentence explaining that the bundle comes with stickers which users can use to decorate their controller to the article? I'm also not in favor of adding pictures of the stickers (due to wikipedia's policies,) but I believe they deserve at least a sentence. Discgolfrules 23:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Sure.. but I'm almost thinking now that that statement might stand better on the main Guitar Hero (series) page regarding the special controllers, since stickers came with GH1 too. Just make sure you have a reliable source that states that stickers are included (I don't recall any of the major reviews having these, but that's not to say it's not in one of them.) --Masem 23:26, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In lieu of the song list...

As the song list has been out of the article, and so far seems to be working fine (in addition to the fact that a discussion was done over at the WP:CVG on soundtracks for music/rhythm games being in separate articles, the consensus being that this is the best way), we should select a few representative songs from that list to describe the type of music in the game. Obviously, we have to be very selective, 3, no more than 4 examples, and maybe 3 bonus songs. We should not choose these because we feel they're best, but only that other sources have noted them. Thus, I'm suggesting the following:

  • Free Bird, because duh (nearly every review says it's there), good example of classic rock
  • Hanger 18, noted for difficulty, example of thrash metal
  • Psychobilly Freakout, noted for difficulty, alternative song
  • Tonight I'm Going to Rock You Tonight, also mentioned in some reviews, "represtantive" of 70s metal
  • Jordan (I could have sworn that there was a good article saying how Buckethead didn't think anyone would be able to beat this on Expert, whihc is why he helped get it in the game)
  • Trogdor as most reviews note the oddity of the extra song lists

Just note that any suggested song should be one called out by a review as being in the game. --Masem 15:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't have any reviews to quote, but maybe we should mention John the Fisherman as the first major-artist master track in the GH series? Rdfox 76 16:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps more mainstream, well-known songs should also be mentioned, like "Message in a Bottle", "Sweet Child o' Mine", and "Carry On Wayward Son", etc? Y2kcrazyjoker4 18:18, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, I think that there isn't a huge gap between the popular songs mentioned, and if there is, those wouldn't fit just into 3-4 examples. I'm not counting in the Bonus Songs of course, and I feel that if a person really wants to take a sneak peek of the songs int he game, he would click List of songs in Guitar Hero II anyway. ~Iceshark7 19:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Why don't we just use some of the songs listed on the back of the game's case/box? Y2kcrazyjoker4 13:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Led Zep?

I heard somewhere that the reason that it didn't make it in was because jimmy page blocked it. This true? If so, it would make a great article addition —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.245.38.202 (talk) 04:49:22, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Note: List of songs is up for AFD

If you don't have List of songs in Guitar Hero II in your watchlists, you may be unaware that someone has suggested the list be deleted (this stems from a discussion in WP:CVG about cars in video games being listcruft). If you have a strong feeling towards either keeping or deleting this, you may want to make your voice known over there. --Masem 17:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mass removals

Tried to restore lost content. Will look againafter a break. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 23:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should song lists be merged to single article?

Should the GH songlists be merged to a single article? Please see discussion here. --MASEM 20:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The main article and its talk page no longer exists. The result was to keep the song lists separate and delete List of songs in Guitar Hero games (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs in Guitar Hero games). Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 06:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unlock Pro Face-Off

I completed Easy career two days ago and did not unlock this feature; however, I beat the game's career mode on Medium and I unlocked Pro-Face Off Mode. I am on a PS2. I suggest that the article be changed to reflect facts rather than game guide typos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.148.241.11 (talk) 04:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Read further up. It's not about game guide typos. IT'S IN THE FRICKING MANUAL. Sensei Le Roof (talk) 14:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Practice Room

Has anyone else noticed the stones memorabilia in the Practice Room? There's a Poster of Their Satanic Majesties Request, as well as Let it Bleed in a milk crate on the floor. Also, there's a poster of another Stones album which I could not identify. Anyone have any ideas behind this?67.162.232.65 03:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of ScoreHero.com external link?

LaraLove (Talk | contribs) has removed the of ScoreHero.com external link both on the main Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock article and on Guitar Hero II article. I've posted this same comment on the Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock talk page. Anyone here (besides me) disagree with this? lightsup55 04:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA-level?

I have read through the article just now, and have edited it rather heavily in the past. I think that the article passed GA well and is ready to become an FA. What are people's thoughts on this before I rush too quickly into posting it at WP:FAC? --tennisman 16:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I feel it's ready -- However I did just notice that a few references (#1 and #2 for example, but not all) are not consistent, but those should be easily fixed; also we should wikilink the date= field in all the citation templates (the accessdate= does not need to be wikilinked, however). But if anything else comes up, it will be apparent in the FA commentary and can be fixed. --MASEM 16:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I've got some time now so I'm going to fix those and post it at WP:FAC. --tennisman 23:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, never mind the fixing...I'm not sure I know what you mean, looks like all of the dates are linked. And I'm not sure what you mean by "references are not consistent", so I'm going to leave those as they are. --tennisman 23:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, I guess someone understood...M3tal H3ad went through and linked all of the dates. --tennisman 16:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
For the "cite web" templates (which I think 99% if not all of them at) these should have the following fields filled in: url, title, accessdate, and publisher. "date" (when work was published to web) should be provided if given, but some web resources lack accurate ones. If the author of the work is known, then also "first"/"last" should be used (in case of a real, single author) or "author" for a grouping of authors. Going over the list, most of these are close but just missing one of the 4 required; others look like they can include other parameters, these include refs: 1, 8, 9, 11, 15, 22, 66 and 72. Not a whole lot, and should be easy fixes. --MASEM 16:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

"Development" section is mainly about the release of the game... I was thinking, that maybe it's best to rename that section either to "Release" or "Launch"? ~Iceshark7 (talk) 19:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] please add Catalan link

Hi,

I translated part of this article for the Catalan wikipedia ca:Guitar Hero II, and I'd like a link to be placed on the English page, which I would do if it weren't protected. --Bewtros (talk) 03:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The page is only semi-protected, so you can edit it. However, I've added the link for you, anyway. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 03:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orange Note Glitch

At the song Drist from Arterial Black on the level Medium there is a orange note... on Medium! is this a glitch or an Easter Egg? It's only on this song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.145.25.54 (talk) 14:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

That's not the only instance of this. In "push push lady lightning" on the bass track (multiplayer) there is a blue on easy mode, just towards the end near the end wankery. My little brother used to always complain about it, I didn't believe him til I saw it. Anywho I doubt it's an easter egg, and it's I'm pretty sure it's not really worth the mention in the article.-- Paul5121 (talk) 11:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
PS: use 4X ~ in a row to sign your comments
I can't really say for the Xbox 360 version since the game can be updated when you are connected to Xbox Live. I believe most of these have been fixed by now. Anyway... I agree, this isn't notable for inclusion into the article. Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 12:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)