Talk:Guillaume Dufay

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worth giving his chanson & mass on 'se la face ay pale' a special mention??? (or is its prominence a 20th century artefact?)

I agree - I added a recording I made of Se La Face Ay pale :-) Eric / Asteria

Definitely gets a special mention! That's a great and important piece. Feel free to feed this hungry article... I'm at work right now so I can't dig through my sources at home.  :-) Antandrus 16:14, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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I was hoping to find some information about a technique used by Dufay called Faux Bourdon which consists in adding intervals of fourths and 6ths under a writen melody, a direct influence of Dunstable who also used paralel fourths an sixths. The problem is that I'm not sure if the Faux Bourdon uses paralel 4ths and 6ths or just 4ths. Does someone know the answer?

Cha

Yes, happy to help. I haven't written the fauxbourdon article yet, but it's on the way! Fauxbourdon uses parallel fourths above the (usually) pre-determined tune, and parallel thirds below: therefore there are both parallel fourths and sixths. The "tune" is the line in the middle.

It's a bit more complicated than this in its full historical development, but this way was the one most common around 1450, e.g. during the time of Dufay. Antandrus (talk) 00:21, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the Help!  :) Cha

Contents 1 Addition to References 2 Dufay or Du Fay? 3 Birthdate? 4 Se la face ay pale ROCKS!!!

[edit] Addition to References

I've added a mention of the Corpus mensurabilis musicae edition of the collected works to the References section, on the grounds that this seems somewhat like the closest to a primary source as one can get. Please let me (being rather new here) know if there is any problem with this (inclusion, format, linkage, it being mostly out of print, etc). If it is welcomed, I may do similar things with other composers some time.

Forgot to sign. OMHalck 18:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Excellent addition: thank you! Antandrus (talk) 04:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dufay or Du Fay?

In the remote chance that anyone else is watching this article, are there any opinions on a preference for one or the other? Grove has Du Fay, most of my other reference books have Dufay. I'm fine either way but I want consistency within Wikipedia (currently Dufay predominates). User:Ockeghem recently changed Dufay to read Du Fay in the article lead (at the risk of a lame joke, if Ockeghem himself prefers Du Fay it must be right ... ) Any opinions? If we prefer Du Fay we need to move the article and fix numerous other mentions elsewhere. Antandrus (talk) 04:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I suppose I would lean toward Dufay, but that has no basis in anything other than what I'm accustomed to. If the Grove-meisters say Du Fay then it seems to me they would know what they're talking about... Maybe there should be a disambiguation from Du Fay to Dufay; that might be simpler than a wholesale alteration of spelling. Of course, following that "logic," we would have the Dvořak symphonies end at number 5 just because that's what people were familiar with. Wspencer11 13:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birthdate?

So what's the story with his birthdate? In my experience he was always listed as being born c. 1400, but there's a specific date listed here, admittedly with a question mark attached. What's the evidence for that date, and shouldn't that evidence (or at least something about the uncertainty) be in the article? Wspencer11 13:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Se la face ay pale ROCKS!!!

where can i get an mp3 format of this song? i've searched everywhere on the Net, but couldn't find anything. does the person who uploaded the song in ogg format have a version in mp3? thanks!

It's really hard to find good mp3s of 15th century music; unfortunately I don't know where this one came from. Here's the info page on that upload: Image:10_Se_La_Face_Ay_Pale.ogg Antandrus (talk) 18:36, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

eureka. they've got tonnes of free music from asteria at magnatune.com. =)