Talk:Guido Reni

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I tried to move article to a neutral point of view. While baroque may be excessive, it is only from our viewpoint. I will excise the wallet card statement despite its potential to be somewhat true. My hope, however frail, is that our writeups have longevity and are still around when wallets become obsolete.

carravagisti

[edit] Scipione Borghese

"..one of Caravaggio's early patrons, Cardinal Scipione Borghese." Borghese was a thug, a criminal, a thief. He was also an art-lover, a man of refined taste, a delightful companion. He was never a 'patron' to Caravaggio, nor to anyone else; just a mafioso with a taste for art.

In the English-speaking world, John Ruskin finished off Guido Reni's reputation, calling him many harsh names. If I can find Ruskin['s comments I'll add them here.

Nice article

PiCo 11:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree that Cardinal Borghese was likely not a direct patron, though he apparently owned an early Caravaggio or two. I also would not doubt that he may have been party to the circle of Del Monte.

John Ruskin was a thug, a "literary" criminal, and a prudish, small-minded man who robbed the language of directness. He was also an art-lover, a man of overly-refined tastes, and probably a cranky dinner guest. I would have preferred to attend a dinner party with Borghese.

In the English-speaking world, John Ruskin finished off John Ruskin's reputation. However, I guess Guido has his come-uppance due to him. Please include it.

I don't know now where I read this about Ruskin/Reni - probably in a book on Caravaggio or the Baroque. I'll have to look. Ruskin's reputation was high in the C19th, the Robert Hughes of his day. His language appealed to his own age, but seems a trifle purple today. ("She is older than the rocks amongst which she sits," etc). Did he really finish off his own reputation? Just changing fashion I think - someday Bob Hughes too shall be sneered at. I agree that I'd rather dine chez Borghese. PiCo 06:34, 23 February 2006 (UTC)