Talk:Guido (slang)
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How come no one can refer to the popular "my new haircut" youtube video. This is one of many definitions that doesnt make fun of just italians, but anyone who dresses/acts like that in clubs etc. Stop deleting stuff that doesnt fit your definition.
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No Camaros? No mention of hair? No mention of leather jackets? Blasphemy.--Pozole 03:53, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Could somebody please NPOV this? --Anonymous
This article, being listed on collegehumor.com, has been subject to large amounts of substandard entry material. If you have a legitimate addition to add, please do so, but refrain from posting your opinions on what "Guido" means to you. urbandictionary.com and similar sites allow for you an acceptable outlet for that sort of antic. In that vein, i've removed some poorly written additions about usage of the word, as well as an unnecessary and improperly added link. If you object, please discuss it here, on the talk page, rather than starting an edit war. Before posting, please view other Wikipedia pages for style and content. In particular, the revert i have just made pertains to improper use of external links. If you have a SERIOUS addition to make, please do so, but try not to post links to your forum discussions and such.
Archtemplar 05:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Photo
Is it necessary? (Jay 07:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC))
I thought it was a good photo. 01:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC)jcrav2k6
In south western Ontario, Canada, where I grew up, the term "Guido" meant a non-Italian who associated with Italians. Basically, a wanna-be Italian who aspired to their stereotypical image and lifestyle - slicked hair, jewelry, flashy car, etc.
Being a young Italian I find this picture extremely offensive. I understand there is a time and a place for such a photo in a humorous light, but I don't think an encyclopedia should relate Guidos to gays. This would be an equivalent of posting a "History of Evolution" chart on a slang term for African Americans. If you wanna post your sterotypical Guido, that's fine, but do it without comparing Guidos to Homosexuals.
Why is getoffmyisland.com racist, Just asking for a point?--WngLdr34 19:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- It doesn't even exist anymore. But it grew from a site simply against the stereotype to a site against Italians in general, and for some reason a pro-Irish stance. RSimione 06:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Raccism?
This is an offensive article utilized by some guys, perhaps by the same author, to discriminate a whole people. What is your next article? Is it about Sambo the negro? jews? arabs? chicanos...?
Michael59 05:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
If you think its biased, fix it. There's nothing wrong with having articles about racist terms. See kike. The article says nothing bad about guidos, only defines the stereotype.
Does any one else find this offensive to Italian-American? It was funny until I saw the words "humorously and incorrigibly uncultured". What exactly is uncultured? Someone without an Italian Culture, or someone with a very small ancestral descent?
-Meatball
[edit] Austrailian Guidos
This question of mine was removed from this talk page without explaination, and the part of the article I'm questioning is still there. What I'm wondering is...
Okay, I've never been to Australia, but are people who dress and act like guidos there really called wogs? My understanding of the slur "wog" is that in Australia it would be applied to Aboriginals, not a guy with spiked hair and an unbuttoned dress shirt. TJSwoboda 01:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. Until the 80s, 'wog' was almost exclusively applied to Italians and Greeks - see the article on wog. After the increase of immigrants from middle-eastern countries in the 80s, it also came to be used for them as well (Lebanese, Iraqis etc). There are plenty of words that have been used to refer to Aboriginal people in a derogatory manner; wog has never been one of them. Natgoo 10:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] CUGINISM
CUGINISM
By Adam Ramacca KairzadaR4r2 (talk) 08:47, 25 December 2007 (UTC) Originally, a Cugine or Guido was a movement predating from the early seventies nurtured by Italian-Americans mainly for the cause of financial independence and supremacy in their neighborhoods. In the seventies, Cugines and Guidos were commonly referred to as “Baba’s”, a term more frequently used labeling the machismo of Italian-Americans encompassing mainly Brooklyn’s regional territories of Bayridge, Bensonhurst, Borough Park, Sunset Park, and Downtown-Brooklyn’s Carol Street and President Street. Later, in the eighties and nineties this movement catapulted to the newer generations of New York Italians and other Mediterranean people who resembled the Italian phenotype; Greek, Turkish, Lebanese, certain Russians, and some Spanish. The movement closely monitored by senior Cugines (Guidos) reached its maximum financial capacity in the stock market of New York City’s Wall Street during the nineties. The Cugine’s setup brokerage firms or chop-shops which acquired billions of dollars from naive investors by utilizing fast talking sales tactics. Initially, this financial breakthrough was first overlooked by the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission), but letter investors complaining that they where swindled by brokers who had a New York accent brought about awareness, eventually leading to the prosecution of several Cugines. For a better understanding read, “Born To Steal”, by Gary Weiss.
- And "certain Russians", I suppose, are native Caucasians, like Chechens or Georgians? --Humanophage (talk) 07:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore, a Cugine is defined by his fierce ability to defend his property and respect. Also, appearance and image are highly valued; a Cugine will painstakingly produce himself into a star by paying close attention to details relevant to his hair, physique, attire, jewelry, vehicle, and other rewarding amenities that might attract the opposite sex, this is more likely a Cuginate. Essentially, a Cugine is a rebel propelled to do things on his term rather then to pay homage to the enslaving system, so intern his masculinity is the precursor to his image. Usually he has the notion that no one is better then him but more importantly he never reveals stress in public, especially in front of a Cuginate or Guided.
The newer generation of Cugines with their hair-spiked, tattoo’s, cell-phones, and body-piercings started to evolve in the late nineties, when much of the financial Cugine world was being threatened to an extinction. Non-the-less, Cogine’s from the early-nineties paved the way for modern Cugine’s in Manhattan’s nightlife by leaving cruising spots like Brooklyn’s 86th Street (Bensunhurst) or Queens’s Franecis-lews blvd for a city establishment like the Tunnel, Lime-Light, and etc. Although at first these places where shocking and different, they offered a lot more then the streets of the Boroughs. During the process of time, invading armies of Cugines left the borough’s for the New York, Miami, Las Vegas nightlife, and for this reason Cugines from the early ninties should be credited for their revolutionary accomplishment; they had broken the sound brier by invading Manhattan’s nightlife and now contrary to popular belief where surrounded by Homo’s, Freaks, and hot freaky Cuginites usually tripping-out. By breaking this critical sound brier and becoming a dominant force in the Manhattans nightlife seen, a new term was established by phony Yuppies types for the metropolitan Cugine, referring to them as the, “Bridge and Tunnel People”. Younger Cugine’s taking advantage of the Manhattan night-life establised by their predecessors, became major figures in clubs like the Sound Factory, Exit, and Tweilo. Also these Cugine figures reinvented themselves with the new digital age and helped to develop a new unique futuristic style of hair-do’s, physique’s, tattoo’s, implant’s, shaved- bodies. The new age Cugine’s where and are still continuing to be a lot more care-free then their ancestors, mainly by being experimental and wild with progressive house music and etc. This trend reached its panicle in a Manhattan underground nightclub called the Sound Factory or simply SF during 1998-2002 but now has somewhat simmered down since.
[edit] Expand, merge or redirect
This page is a mere dictionary definition (something which Wikipedia is not). It explains the meaning, eytmology and usage of a slang expression. I can't find any encyclopedic content on this page. Nothing here rises past what I would expect to read in a truly great unabridged dictionary. The definitions and usage discussions belong over in Wiktionary where folks with the right skills, interests and lexical tools can more easily sort out the meanings and origins.
Options to fix the page here include:
- Expand the page with encyclopedic content - that is, content that goes well beyond the merely lexical.
- Redirect the page to a more general page on the appropriate sub-genre of slang.
- Replace the current contents with a soft-redirect to Wiktionary (usually done using the {{wi}} template).
Pending a better answer, I'm implementing option 3 for now. Rossami (talk) 04:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I believe User:SingularX12 has fixed up the article quite well. The etymology section adds a lot of substance to it. All it needs is a tiny bit of de-POVing and maybe a few sources, but I think it's ready for an article. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 01:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- Etymologies are lexical content. They are the sort of thing that you would typically expect in a dictionary. Wiktionary accepts and even encourages such etymological discussions and is open to any editor to add or expand. Wikipedia, on the other hand, is an encyclopedia. Content here must rise above the level of merely lexical content. Until the article does that, it's not ready. Rossami (talk) 11:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Rossami, your opinion is not law. Etymology is beyond the scope of a dictionary and appears in many articles across wikipedia. This article is appropriate. You clearly have some personal feelings about this term, but that does not justify blanking the page. You are harming wikipedia by censoring it. 152.3.154.115 (talk) 19:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Etymology is not outside the scope of a dictionary. In fact, it's a primary feature of a good dictionary entry. Look at the Wiktionary entry for this slang term for proof. Yes, etymologies can also appear in Wikipedia articles but those articles must also have some encyclopedic content - that is, something that goes clearly beyond the merely lexical content.
To your accusation, I have nothing against this term per se. I make similar mergers and cross-wiki redirects for lots of dictionary entries. There is nothing special about this one. And I am definitely not "censoring" it. It just belongs at Wiktionary. Rossami (talk) 22:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
