Talk:Guam national football team

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[edit] Requested move

This article has now been moved despite not discussion has been taken. The reasons for which it was moved, as I see it, was that Guam itself is not a sovereign state [1], and the word "national" was therefore considered by the user who moved the article as incorrect (the user also has a past record to equate country with sovereign state, and asserts only sovereign states are countries). The user who have moved this article has no intention to nominate it for discussion, and has declined to restore it to the original title [2] to allow a discussion to take place.

The user who moved this article has also moved Macau national football team (talk) and was one of those involved in moving Hong Kong national football team (talk) based on the same reasons. — Instantnood 18:45, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

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  • Oppose the move. The English word "national" is not exclusively for sovereign states. The word is not always used in a manner that stick with the definitions of "nation". Please don't equate "nation", "country" and "sovereign state". — Instantnood 18:45, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Agree with reasons given above by Instantnood. A team that takes part in international competitions is a national team. A regional team (e.g. Guangdong football team) means they are not eligible to compete in international competitions. It is obvious where Hong Kong, Macau, Guam, etc. belong Chanheigeorge 19:45, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Dragons flight 00:08, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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  • Please take note that the member associations of the International Olympic Committee are called National Olympic Committees. And they include Hong Kong, Guam, etc. [3]. Chanheigeorge 19:57, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
  • After doing some research, I must say that I STRONGLY OPPOSE the move of Guam national football team to Guam regional football team. The reasons are:
    • The name Guam national football team is correct (by the definition of nation), commonly used (evidenced by IOC calling Guam a National Olympic Committee), easily understandable by people inside and outside of Guam, and the convention used by Wikipedia.
    • The name Guam regional football team is incorrect. From the definition of region in Wikipedia, a region can mean two things:
      1. An administrative subdivision, used by some countries. USA is not one of them and does not call Guam a region.
      2. A sometimes vaguely-defined geographical area of a country or continent. Guam is clearly defined so it does not fit this category.
Therefore it is incorrect to call Guam a region. This "naming" seems to come from the poor translation of the Chinese word 地區 back to English.
    • I visited the Guam Football Assocation webpage to see how they call their team. I found three pieces of evidence that they would call their team Guam national football team:
      1. Mr. Kambe reports that the U12 National program will start on 17 May. [4]
      2. Women's national team party is scheduled for Sunday at Mr. Renfro's residence. [5]
      3. For the Women's National Team, Mr. Renfro reminds .... [6]
On the contrary, I found none of these words used for the description of their national team: regional, representative, territorial, etc.
    • Finally, it is clear that the person who moved this page have no evidence to do so, is not particularly interested in discussion about this move, and only did it out of convenience and/or showing off. Except Hong Kong and Macau, he/she did not move the other dozens of pages of football teams belonging to non-soverign nations, including England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (I doubt he/she has the guts to do so).
I really do not see a case for this move, and suggest it be moved back to its original place ASAP. Chanheigeorge 23:09, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why in AFC?

Why is Guam in the AFC and not the OFC? If it was a matter of the OFC not existing when it joined AFC, have they not considered switching, due to the OFC is more to their level (no offense meant to the strength of the OFC teams). Paploo 20:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)