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- 1 Archive
- 2 Signpost updated for October 03, 2007
- 3 User:Grue/List of ethnic stereotypes
- 4 Signpost updated for October 15th, 2007.
- 5 Hi
- 6 Signpost updated for October 22nd, 2007.
- 7 Signpost updated for October 29th, 2007.
- 8 Bigwig
- 9 Signpost updated for November 5th and 12th, 2007.
- 10 Thanks :)
- 11 Signpost updated for November 19th, 2007.
- 12 Signpost updated for November 26th, 2007.
- 13 Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Grue/howto
- 14 Signpost updated for December 3rd, 2007.
- 15 Signpost updated for December 10th, 2007.
- 16 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erica Hardwick
- 17 Signpost updated for December 17th, 2007.
- 18 Your counterexample at Talk:Lindemann–Weierstrass theorem
- 19 Long term strategy
- 20 Signpost updated for December 26th, 2007.
- 21 An Administrator is I!
- 22 Nice subpage
- 23 Amulet of Yendor
- 24 Orphaned non-free media (Image:Fuskerlogo.gif)
- 25 Signpost updated for January 14th, 2008.
- 26 Signpost updated for January 21st, 2008.
- 27 Signpost updated for January 28th, 2008.
- 28 Signpost updated for February 4th, 2008.
- 29 Final solution to the deletionist problem
- 30 Signpost updated for February 11th, 2008.
- 31 Signpost updated for February 18th and 25th, 2008.
- 32 Signpost updated for March 3rd, 2008.
- 33 Signpost updated for March 13th and 17th, 2008.
- 34 Signpost updated for March 24th, 2008.
- 35 Signpost updated for March 31st, 2008.
- 36 Signpost updated for April 7th, 2008.
- 37 Signpost updated for April 14th, 2008.
- 38 dwarves london monto
- 39 Signpost updated for April 21st, 2008.
- 40 Signpost updated for May 2nd and 9th, 2008.
- 41 Signpost updated for May 12th, 2008.
- 42 Signpost updated for May 19th and 26th, 2008.
- 43 Signpost updated for June 2, 2008.
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[edit] Signpost updated for October 03, 2007
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[edit] User:Grue/List of ethnic stereotypes
Hey. Do you mind if we delete that page? It seems to have become a cesspool of national-ethnic-racist hatred. Or do you prefer protecting a particular version of it? I just am not sure it is such a great idea if it isn't vigorously monitored. Please respond here, if you don't mind. Thx. El_C 11:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- No probs, I deleted it myself. Grue 17:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, Grue! El_C 03:43, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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i just picked you at random off the list of admins, this guy had his last warning on Oct 21, and just went back and vandalised Johnny Vegas again on Oct 22, can you block it please. Cheers, King of the North East (T/C) 19:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Bigwig
Hi Grue, I've no axe to grind against Bigwig (band), but how is notability asserted in the discography section per WP:MUSIC? If those hits charted, the discography needs to say so; there are no links to evidence that. Help me out here! - Fayenatic (talk) 12:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Point 5 says: "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." Kung Fu and Fearless are important indie labels, well known within punk community. They also had national tours (point 4), and probably satisfy point 7. I am baffled why you felt the need to prod the article on this band, when the talentless crap like this or this is a far better target. Grue 13:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- It would help if the discography stated whether the releases were singles or albums. I found the article because I was disambiguating links to Zak, and found this article: full or redlinks; apparently self-contradicting re "steadily gaining popularity" and "five-year hiatus"; and completely unreferenced. Touring with other bands does not make them notable - notability is not inherited. Anyway, point 5 is sufficient, for notability, thanks.
- However, please improve the other aspects that I've mentioned. - Fayenatic (talk) 11:57, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Thanks :)
Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page. looks like someone wasn't too happy that I sent his template creation to TFD! Grutness...wha? 00:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
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I've listed one of your userspace subpages for deletion because I think it's pretty obviously an abuse of your user space. --Tony Sidaway 06:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think you can realistically argue that you aren't attacking identifiable people. You put a link to your user page on Template talk:Spoiler, and in responding to one of my comments on the deletion discussion you said "I can see how you may be offended by this page, Tony. Truth hurts." You have thus (and I didn't appreciate this at first) explicitly singled out me as one of the targets of your personal attacks. I ask you to stop indulging in personal attacks on me and on other people. I do offer to engage in mediation with you if you have an issue with any of my actions with respect to the deleted template. This would enable us to resolve our differences in the spirit of Wikipedia, where (believe it or not) we are supposed to be collaborating on the same side, to produce an encyclopedia. Passing it off as satire won't do. You've made some extremely serious allegations here and you appear to be acting calculatedly to maximize the damage caused, whilst so far taking no steps towards dispute resolution. --Tony Sidaway 18:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- On the contrary it looks to me that you have inadvertently targeted yourself. Prior to this MfD I wasn't aware of your active participiation in Template:Spoiler disputes. If you indeed have used the tactics described in User:Grue/howto, then I believe this is very bad. I don't however have any evidence of you pursuing these tactics (though I can easily dig some on other users, which were prototypes for that page). In trying to delete the howto, you're only painting a red X on yourself. So I think the best course of action for you would be to retract the MfD and try to not associate yourself with that page anymore. Grue 23:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, well I think you should apologise for your insinuation that I've engage in such tactics ("the truth hurts"). If you think that somebody who thinks your user page is an abuse has, in the absence of any evidence of wrongdoing, "painted a red X" on himself, you're probably not taking Wikipedia policy Assume good faith very seriously. For the same reason I'll ignore your suggestion that I retract the MFD. I again extend an offer of mediation on this matter. --Tony Sidaway 23:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- You were the first to breach WP:AGF by labeling my subpage as "personal attack" in edit summaries on Talk:Spoiler. Since you understood this page as a personal attack against yourself, I could only conclude that my subpage describes something that hints at your behavior in spoiler disputes, because other than that the subpage doesn't mention any specific people or situations. I could only see it as a "confession" from your part. If this was a misunderstanding, I apologize. But then I don't understand why you were trying so much to hide this page, first by deleting it from Talk:Spoiler and now trying to delete it completely. If the page doesn't concern you, why are you so intent on deleting it? Grue 00:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I have closed Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Grue/howto. User:Grue/howto has been deleted. User talk:Grue/howto has not. If you have any questions, please let me know. Regards, Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
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You appear to have been basing your comments on a faulty diff, resulting in your incorrect assertion that I deleted most of the article. I'm sure you'd want to correct that mistake. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 03:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- There was an intermediate blanking, but you used the edit summary "rv, stubbify" which probably means that this edit could be seen as two edits: first revert blanking and then "stubbify". Well, as the diff shows, the stubbifying part deleted most of the article, which is what I pointed out in the AfD. Grue 09:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
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- That was over a year ago. You implied that I actually deleted stuff in preparation for the AFD. If you want to restore any information, and can find sources for it, then do so. But if we can't find anything notable about the person we should delete the article. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 18:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
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At Talk:Lindemann–Weierstrass theorem you wrote that ei + e − i = 0 but actually it is equal to 2cos(1), so your counterexample is not valid. JRSP (talk) 23:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Long term strategy
Hi Grue, I am wondering, how can we turn the tide of deletionism? It seems like we've been losing ground. I think that inclusionist admins can help by restoring improperly deleted articles but I think they are outnumbered, and policy changes have not been working in our favor. Sarsaparilla (talk) 02:48, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] An Administrator is I!
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[edit] Nice subpage
User:Grue/Politics of South Park, is an interesting article that I came across randomly, could there not be a article on this topic? Lobojo (talk) 03:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Well, there was, but it was deleted. South Park Republican has some remnants of what was once a good coverage of South Park politics on Wikipedia, but alas, deletionists have turned it all into pathetic stub. Grue 12:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Amulet of Yendor
This edit defies the consensus reached at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amulet of Yendor. If the merge target does not mention the Amulet, that should be rectified by adding it there, not undoing the merge. If the editors of the target article do not believe that the amulet warrants a mention, that is a separate matter. Please revert to a redirect per the AFD, Wikipedia:Notability, and Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). Pagrashtak 17:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- I was not undoing the merge because the article wasn't merged. There are two outcomes of AfD, keep or delete. That one was keep, so I'm keeping the content. It's up for editors to decide where the content should be, and it really makes no sense to have a redirect to a page which doesn't even mention Amulet of Yendor. Basically your edit made the least sense of all possible outcomes, so I reverted it. Grue 17:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- That's simply not true. From Rogue (computer game): "The goal is to fight one's way to the bottom, retrieve the Amulet of Yendor, then ascend to the surface. Until the amulet is retrieved, the player cannot return to earlier levels." Pagrashtak 17:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Well, Nethack basically says the same thing too. At the very least, the article which Amulet of Yendor would redirect to should have a paragraph on which games it's encountered in, what does "Yendor" mean and so on. I'd write it myself, but I'm currently abroad and my Internet access is pretty limited. Grue 19:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- I've just merged it into Roguelike. (diff). This might be a better location, since the Amulet appears in multiple games. Pagrashtak 18:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- Not to intrude here, but shouldn't (apparently controversial) merge actions such as this be more widely discussed first? D. Brodale (talk) 18:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- You don't consider Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amulet of Yendor wide enough? Pagrashtak 18:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- In this case, no. The discussion took place months ago, and given that Grue restored the article, any potentially controversial merge should be open to discussion. I question its inclusion within Roguelike. The merge is an awkward fit, and the level of detail is out of place within an article meant to discuss the genre as a whole. D. Brodale (talk) 18:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- The only reason Grue restored it was because he felt it was not covered enough in the Rogue article—not because he opposes a merge. If the level of detail is out of place, the solution is to compress it within the article. I have absolutely no objection to that. Pagrashtak 19:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- Let's start at the beginning. Am I correct in assuming that we all generally agree that the amulet should not have a stand-alone article? If so, we should decide where to best place the content. Possibilities include Roguelike and Rogue (computer game). Any other suggestions? Pagrashtak 19:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- First, I must apologize for hijacking what seems to have been a private conversation. To answer your question, I cannot speak for Grue, but I believe that the AoY at present cannot stand as its own article, as it lacks clear notability of its own. The content of the article (now merged) includes a broad claim of lasting inclusion in several games as an end-game objective, but the supporting evidence is that this is only true for Rogue (and immediate derivatives) and Hack/NetHack (the former morphed into the latter). Mention of Kingdom of Loathing is nothing more than a name-check. The User Friendly reference relates to the AoY in context of NetHack, an irregular thematic element within the strip. What remains is an unsourced claim regarding the origin of the Amulet's name. If anything, I suppose, the naming claim could be merged into the article on Rogue (pending proper referencing) and the remaining bits merged into Mythology and fiction in NetHack. I remain unconvinced that it belongs in the article on the roguelike genre, as it's an in-game object particular only to a handful of games. D. Brodale (talk) 20:21, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- No apology necessary, there's really no such thing as a private conversation on a wiki, and for good reason. I don't have as much experience in this matter as you or Grue, and have just been trying to merge as best I can. I'll support whatever merge you two think is best. Also, claims that have been marked as unsourced for a significant period can be removed, if you believe that would lead to improvement. Pagrashtak 21:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Final solution to the deletionist problem
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[edit] dwarves london monto
hey mate,
i noticed the fab picture of the dwarves at london monto and was just wondering if you had any more? i was right down the front and had the best time ever....then lost my camera...doh!!!
so maybe u could possibly email them to me? rjecollins@hotmail.com, if not maybe give me a location where i could view them?
cheers for any help...legend if u can
all the best
richy
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