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[edit] Stubstuff

[edit] Stub redirects

The redirects were listed on VFU and got a majority for undeletion. Why have you deleted them again? --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 05:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey, doesn't matter. You've made me see the error of my ways, anyway. I'm withdrawing from WikiProject Stub sorting. After all, the whole project's fucked. Within a few weeks, there'll be stub redirects of every imaginable shade around, and it'll no longer be possible for the project to know what it's doing. Give it a couple of months and there'll be no-one sorting them anymore. Hell, it might even be worth deleting all the subcategories we've got and just dumping everything back into Category:Stubs. There's no pojnt in keeping going with separate categories when we can't check whtether new templates or new redirects are correctly formatted. Stubs are already disappearing into redlinked categories because there are too many stub types for anyone to be able to successfully patrol them. No, my friend, the golden age of stub sorting is over, kaput. I admit defeat - I'm going back to actually writing articles. At least people appreciate articles being written - with stub sorting you seldom get anything other than insults. It's just not worth it. Grutness...wha? 09:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry; I had supposed that the magnitude of what was being proposed (changing the scope of SFD) had come to the attention of the regulars at the various stubs pages. In closing the DRV I did at least avoid actually pronouncing on the scope of SfD-vs-RfD, and left the redirects to be dealt with by someone else. As somone already pointed out, people are not normally notified of nominations on DRV, in much the same way as people are not of nominations to AfD. Granted, a watchlist lights up in the latter case, and this is perhaps something DRV should examine changing. -Splash^talk 16:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I know that it was below the 75% threshold but as I indicated in my (unusual) 'closure' note on DRV I was not satisfied of where to relist them, and so I left that to someone else; Cryptic took the same action later. (I'm not sure what you refer to as RFU; VfU has been replaced by DRV wholesale.) It does seem that the deletion review debate lacked some useful input from editors like you and that it may have been coloured as a result. We don't have (and deliberately did not institute) a review of reviews on DRV. This in itself shouldn't be a problem here since SfD is back to (re-)discussing them. From the look of things it's a hard case to persuade people of so far. I'm sorry about the proceedings of the DRV, but I don't know what could have been done differently in a satisfactory manner — apart from notifying WP:WSS, a step that just isn't normally taken on DRV (for no particular reason). -Splash^talk 00:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WSS

Oh dear. Hopefully a small break will reduce the stress level. Enjoy writing the articles, and hope you come back soon. :) --TheParanoidOne 21:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Not sure I will be back to it. We can't beat SPUI - not without resorting to his tactics. One rebel like him can easily take down a project of 100 workers on wikipedia - and if the decisions on redirects go his way then the project is pretty much doomed. Shame that it's been a lot of work for nothing, but that's often the way of things. In any case, it's a lot easier to do work here that's probably less useful in the long run but which doesn't get you repeatedly abused. In any case I've got a lot of non-wiki work to do in the next few months, what with an exhibition in March and a book which I've started work on - I have a feeling I'm not going to be spending as long online for a while anyway. we'll see how things go, though - I could be back at WSS. As for the Geo-stub counts, I've given copies of my spreadsheet files to BL Lacertae (who only lives a couple of miles from me - I went to unversity with her parents), so hopefully she'll keep counting them up every now and again until I come back. Grutness...wha? 00:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:SouthAm-bio-stub

It seems that you've created this template with the face of a very controversial individual. I'd strongly suggest to replace it with some consensus figure, such as Simón Bolivar. Regards, User:Ejrrjs says What? 02:22, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

It was only ever intended as a temporary picture. In September. As I'm sure is listed in the edit history. If it was that controversial I would expected it to be changed by now! Grutness...wha? 05:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention, I'll elaborate further at the template's discussion. As a token of my gratitude, I'm translating some verses from Kevin Johansen's McGuevara’s o CheDonald’s (in Spanish).

Everybody grows beards and hair as his

but they are not quite like him.

Everybody issues statements and speaks in his name

as they were him.

I wonder what he would think

if he could see

how they profit from talking about him

knowing nada about him.

Everybody buys Che's cutsie T-shirts

without knowing who he was.

His name and his face are best sellers...

He looks like McGuevara’s or CheDonald’s.

He looks like McGuevara’s or CheDonald’s.

Kindly, User:Ejrrjs says What? 19:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] afl-bio-stub

Hi James. User:Rogerthat and the people at Wikipedia:WikiProject AFL have introduced {{afl-bio-stub}} and started replacing afl-stub with it in articles. This doesn't seem to have been done in line with WP:WSS, so I thought you might want to have a look at it and make any necessary explanations.

While I'm here, I'll just mention that it seems straightforward to me that the FOTW-pic iamges should be deleted according to Wikipedia policy, except that people are arguing that at least some of them are PD. The PD issue is the only part that needs sorting out. JPD (talk) 11:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

makes sense - as to AFL-bio-stub, it seems to have already found its way to the WSS discoveries page and is being talked about. I'm not really involved with stub sorting at the moment, but I'll see if there's anything I can add. Grutness...wha? 01:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reversion on the West Virginia Geo Stub

Would you mind elaborating on the reasons for the reversion there? No objections, just curious. Youngamerican 01:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, I checked out the other location stubs. Flags are better then landscapes in such a small scale. Cheers. Youngamerican 01:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oceania

Hello. Have you considered creating a "Oceania-bio-stub" ? - Darwinek 15:55, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it might have been suggested before... problem is with separate categories already for Australia, New Zealand, and Fiji, I don't know how many other Oceania-bio-stubs there would be. Might be worth suggestion, though. Grutness...wha?

Strangely, there seems to be one already - brand new, too. Grutness...wha?

[edit] Stub sorting

Hello. Can I help you with the recent Mali, Mozambique etc. geo-stub sorting ? - Darwinek 18:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

sorry, I don't know my geography very well. Where is mali, ect. If the country is not in it, or is a country I have never heard of I put it in the geo stub category. I do this rather than putting it in the stub category. Sorry for the extra work, but until I learn more geography, that is the best I can do. If you can help me on a better way to do this let me know. Remember I know little geography outside of North america and Europe. Agian sorry for the extra work.

The way I see it is that there is fewer unmarked stubs. Eagle (talk) (desk) 01:50, 24 January 2006 (UTC)----I do the best I can. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.\

Please post on my page in response, thanks.

P.S. please understand that I am sorting other stubs other than the geo category. Sorry for my mess. I'm not garrenteing that I will be able to stop. But mark my words I will give it my best effort and at the very minimum add a comment line explaining my difficulty, like this: geo-stub<(!)--sorry but this is my problem....on and on, what ever needs to be said-->Eagle (talk) (desk) 02:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Your idea works except that I was working from a list of untagged stubs. I had and still have no choice on which articles need to tagged. I will do my best though and try to find the country. Thanks for the tip. The untagged stubs are in User:bluemoose/Untagged stubs----Eagle (talk) (desk) 23:50, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:occult-stub

Dear Grutness, can I please ask you the reason why you decided to change the image used at this template from a pentagram to a pentacle? To the best of my knowledge, the pentacle is a sacred symbol used by Neo-Pagan religions such as Wicca, whereas the pentagram is often related to Satanism and the occult. I humbly suggest you reconsider your decision, as it may be perceived offensive by many users, especially considering that this template is often used in articles related to Demonology and Black Magic which are completely unrelated to the beliefs of said groups and in fact feel insulted by the association. Regards, Phædriel ? ^{tell me} - 23:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi there Grutness! Thanks for the prompt reply, to you and BL. In fact, I'm not a Neo-Pagan, but I have a few friends who follow that path and I know how sensitive they are regarding the common confusion of their religion with the usual preconceptions. For that reason, it simply concerned me how some people could feel by seeing a pentacle being displayed, i.e., at an article about Demonology. Since you are by far more qualified than I am at this field, I'll leave the choice entirely up to you and other Neo-Pagan users. Needless to say, if I can provide by modest assistence in any way, I'm all yours to ask. Cheers, my friend! - Phædriel '

[edit] October stubberg

Just wanted to inform you that all templates from October stubberg have been taken to either WP:WSS/D or WP:SFD, with the exceptions of a) dozens of redirects, and b) three templates that aren't meant to be the stub templates (two of them state it explicitly). Conscious 15:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFAs

[edit] Rfa thanks (Anonymous editor)

[edit] My RfA (Idont Havaname)

Hi, I just want to say thanks for supporting me on my request for adminship! It passed by a 58/3/0 margin, so I am now an administrator. If you need me to help you out, or you find that I'm doing anything wrong, please don't hesitate to contact me. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 18:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

You recently asked if I had considered standing for admin. I then declined the "invitation" because of a content/policy dispute I was involved in. Those issues are now more or less solved (one has ended in an agreement to disagree with a mutual ceasefire), and they made me aware of some wikipedia policies and guidelines that I wasn't aware of before. I believe that I'm now better prepared for the task of being an admin than I was before. So basically, I have changed my mind ;) Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo risin'} 22:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your extremely kind words at the nomination. If I were a girl, I would have said "Ooh, you're making me blush" ;) Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo risin'} 00:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you (RFB, Francs2000)

Francs2000's Bureaucratship

Thanks for your support on my request for bureaucratship.

The final outcome was (70/5/0), so I am now a bureaucrat. I seriously didn't expect so many good comments from everybody and I appreciated the constructive criticism from those that gave it. If you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as a bureaucrat then please leave me a note. -- Francs2000 21:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grutness--

Awhile back you mentioned perhaps nominating me for adminship. I hope you have not changed your opinion of me since then. I have recently been made Admin over on en.wikibooks, and am learning the sysop tools. I would still like to be Admin here, and would appreciate it if you would keep nominating me in the back of your mind for a few weeks while I learn the ropes there. If you have changed your mind since the last time you mentioned it, please tell me and I will respect your opinion. Thanks. --LV ^{(Dark Mark)} 17:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA (Aecis )

Thank you for your support and kind words at my RfA. I have now officially received admin powers. I hope I won't let you down ;) One thing I was wondering: I was browsing through the list of admins, and I couldn't find another Dutch(wo)man. Have I missed someone, or am I really the first Dutch admin? I regularly come across Dutch wikipedians, so I can't imagine no other Dutchman being an admin. Anyway, thank you very much for everything :) Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo risin'} 20:55, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Don't worry

You didn't disappoint me, don't worry ;) In fact, I'm glad I'm not the first. To me, it shows that there is something of an effort to counter the systemic bias towards the Netherlands, just like you are doing for New Zealand. Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo risin'} 10:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Me an Admin? (Giano)

That's a very kind though - but you obviously don't follow my edits too closely - there would be a bloodbath of monumental proportions - and it would not be my blood. I'm far too outspoken and opinionated. I just never seem to know when to shut up especially if I think someone is being pushed around - I don't do featured articles any more, not since I reverted the "editor-in-cheif" and he took exception (my page still passed but under very unhappy circumstances! - Well I was happy others were not). Then there was the small matter of that editor's very nasty failed RFA which some people thought was my fault. Probably best if I stick to writing.

So thanks for the offer but I think not. On a more cheerful note your mate has just taken some great photos of Holy Trinity Cathedral in Auckland, intended for Benjamin Mountfort. I think I'll do a page on the building itself instead, I'm in the middle of an Oz architect at the moment, but he's in a sticky patch (metaphorically that is) so I think I'll have a few days in NZ to get away from him. Nice thought though I appreciate it. Giano | talk 09:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

• Much better idea - thanks Giano | talk 09:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfB (Redux)

Hi Grutness. I just wanted to thank you for your support and your words in my recent RfB. I am flattered and proud to have had your support. Thank you so much. Redux 22:00, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Nomination for admin (Steinsky)

(Re: You message of August 2005.) I never did get 'round to doing anything else about this, did I? Now somebody else has got in there before you! Joe D (t) 02:45, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks from Lulu

Storm clouds ...	and silver linings	Thank you for your support on my RfA.
		Unfortunately, it failed to reach consensus. Nonetheless, it proved an opportunity to establish contacts and cooperation with many supportive editors, which will be beneficial to editing Wikipedia in the future. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters (t @)

[edit] Thank you! (Ashibaka)

Thank you for your supporting vote! With a 71/1/0 vote, I've been given sysop privileges! Just like any admin, I'm open to suggestions about backlogs or areas to improve.

Now, to go about disrup...improving Wikipedia...

heheheheheh...

Ashibaka tock 23:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Toniwha

Your speculation (of some months ago) that someone might be getting confused with Taniwha - you're right. No such word. Wanna delete that Toniwha page? I am a noob so I thought i better not. Another ridiculous page is Nganga, god of sleet - whaaaaatttttt? The original poster of both of these seems to be TUF-KAT, an American. Nāku noa, nā Kahuroa 05:42, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Kia ora mō tō mihi mai ki ahau. Re sleet god - there's none I can find any reference to. Never heard of it - maybe make it a redirect to Tawhiri god of wind and storms although it seems a big stretch that anyone would ever search for it. Kahuroa 10:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Dear Grutness, Now that you and Kahuroa the self-styled "noob" have each made polite comments on each other's userpage, you may like to go and add your support for my nomination of him as an admin on. Robin Patterson 10:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Nice research on Nganda. Perhaps you would add what you learned on one of the related pages - thinking a list of gods. Shame not to capture your learning.Obina 13:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the compliment. I'll have a look to see whether isome of it can be fitted in anywhere). Grutness...wha? 23:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:FOTWpic

Uhhh....while I know there is some debate over this at FOTW, but does this violate the rules that Jimbo has set down? We are starting to delete these on the Commons, so I think we should get rid of them here. Zach ^{(Smack Back) Fair use policy} 02:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Finding FOTWers

Hi James!

You may or may not want to add {{User FOTWer}} to your user page. --Palnatoke 09:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nganga/Ua

I had a look at Ua - I edited it as well, to add to your excellent improvements. See what you think. There seems to be a whole series of these dubious articles about so-called 'gods'. Kahuroa 10:28, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fauna of Maine

Please take a look at my quickie rewrite on the article that you nominated for AfD. I feel that I made it presentable enough to be a non-embarrassing stub. Cheers. Youngamerican 18:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your camera

Well that's just f...ing marvellous the page improves by the moment. I hadn't been there for a while the list of buildings seems to have grown - was that you or did I find them all. I'm playing around with an Australian architect at the moment but am losing enthusiasm, don't if it's just me or do Australian buildings not have the freedom and individuality of the New Zealand ones - interesting thought that, shame original research is banned - it would make a good page. Don't be offended by the profanity on my page - I know how moderate in your language you all are down there - it's the Americans! Regards Giano | talk 22:39, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Milton, New Zealand

Hi Blarney - finally got the photos done for the Milton article, and I've also extended the information on the town's history. Thought you might like to give it a look... Grutness...wha? 08:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much for letting my know that the photos are there; they look great! It is interest to note that in the photo of the Presbyterian Church at Milton, the building to the right on the opposite side of the street is where the Grace Presbyterian congregation meet. Apparently the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The extra history of the town is interesting, it is always good to find out why a place was settled.

Hey there. The Milton article looks great. Can I make an observation (NOT a complaint) about the photo of the church? OK, I will anyway. The doors are closed. Yep, I know the doors were closed when the pic was taken, but that's not my point. It is that throughout Europe I photographed many churches and can't ever remember seeing one with the doors closed. It seems to be a thing about most NZ churches which always seem to have shut, and locked, doors. Wonder if that's a security thing, or old habits. I loved walking past churches in Europe and being attracted inside by the music coming out the doorways -- jazz even. Just an observation, now I'll get back to something useful. Moriori 01:42, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anon edits of Otago geographical space

I see you reverted Mosgiel from suburb to town. There appears to be an anon user making quite a few such revisions from slightly different IPs each time. Similar changes have been made to Port Chalmers and Portobello (I think). I eagerly await the suggestion that Middlemarch is a suburb! They're also interested in disavowing any links between Queenstown and Southland (despite the Southland DHB providing medical services there). I reverted the intial change, but they've changed it back again. I left a message on one of the IP pages, but I suspect they're going to get a slightly different one each time, so it will be something to watch out for. Limegreen 21:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi James. I left a message on the Queenstown talk page, but the editor obviously didn't note that (although it still seems reasonable/sensible). We could also continue leaving messages on IP pages, on the off-chance they get re-assigned to the same one. Some of their editing (Portobello?) seemed quite good... Limegreen 00:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Don't know the chap

Nope, nope...this Scooter fellow isn't me. Sounds like a dangerous sort, though...I pray you never meet him in a dark alley in Port Colice... :-) - Scooter 19:35, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For your recent photo work

For your contributions to Milton, New Zealand and Robert Lawson (architect). Blarneytherinosaur 00:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :) I've moved it to my user page. Grutness...wha?

[edit] User:202.180.83.6

Sorry, that warning template is perhaps not big enough. But the vandalism to Helen Clark was quite nasty. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I have tried making that warning message a bit more prominent. It kind of drowned in the midst of all the warnings the IP has been receiving, and admins on rapid RC-patrol almost have to shoot first and ask questions later in order to catch the vandalism. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

yeah - sorry I got mad - I've reblocked it for an hour, BTW. Grutness...wha? 13:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional octopi and squids

Your comments are requested at Category talk:Fictional octopi and squids regarding whether it would be best to move this to Category:Fictional octopuses and squids or Category:Fictional cephalopods. (I'm telling you this because you voted on the category's cfd.) All the best, – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 20:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] grutness is offline

to anyone wanting to contact grutness jameses computer has crashed so hell probably be offline for the next few days. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 03:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Sadly true. I'm back, with a loaned cmputer while the tech try to recover 36 gigs of vital information that may have gone for good. Always back things up, folks. Grutness...wha? 08:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Or consider the following:

"Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" from q:Linus_Torvalds

Alas, for most of my personal stuff the rest of the world wouldn't bother mirroring. I keep everything important on three different hard disks (minimum) plus a CF card, and I write it to a new CD every six months or so as well. I did have a hard disk crash a few months ago (three days before I had intended to replace that particular computer) but there was nothing irreplaceable on that disk. On the other hand, what I consider important fits in a few dozen megabytes. 36 Gb is a lot.-gadfium 03:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thankfully I had a backup from six months ago of much of the most important part, and I'd only completed backing up all of my photos from last year the previous week. But there's still things like financial records, and all my art records (which is pretty devastating since I'm in the middle of preparation for an exhibition in eight weeks time). And, of course, I lost a lot of music, though that's not as vital. Grutness...wha?

[edit] SatuSuro (Part One)

It's a very long story that does not involve cats.  :) It's all connected with the ten years of my life spent working on a post-grad project that sort of evaporated. It's one thing to have spent all the time and energy on a Royal Javanese Graveyard, but it does not pay the bills (at the moment). The first day of the javanese year is when it's best to stay home, if youre old and traditional in your beliefs. If you are young and able you go for an all night stint the night before at the graveyard, and so on. There should be some ancillary articles to Imogiri once my anarchical gut laughs on uncyclopedia annoy my children too much (because we're moving house, all the computers are in the same room at the moment) and I get back to collab'ing with Meursault.... Because we're moving, uncovering photos for west tassie, so it's all a bit chaotic.SatuSuro 10:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedying articles on AfD

You recently speedied Evil Dogfish Productions, which was listed on AfD. However, while the speedy was perfectly valid, you did not close the AfD vote. Please do this by adding {{subst:at|reason}} to the top and {{subst:ab}} to the bottom. (If it helps you to remember, they stand for AFD top and AFD bottom.) I have closed this AfD for you, but you'll have to do it yourself in the future. Thanks for monitoring AfD, though! --M@thwiz2020 02:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Hm. Must've forgotten to do that - sorry (I usually do close them when speedying). Grutness...wha? 23:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)