Talk:Gruffydd ap Cynan
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[edit] King of?
Many viewing this page will think Gruffydd ap Cynan is vying to be King of Wales so it should be explicit that the kingdom in question is that of Gwynedd. Wales has never been a kingdom. Pbhj (talk) 02:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] King for the fourth time and consolidation
This appears to be a lopsided account. "He met King Henry I of England who granted him the rule of Llŷn, Eifionydd, Ardudwy and Arllechwedd, considerably extending his kingdom.". Now that cunningly fails to mention what G ap C gave Henry, ie Henry agreed to come under the Crown in exchange for Henry's support. G ap C then governs locally and Henry just has to worry about keeping G ap C in line! "By 1114 he had gained enough power to induce King Henry to invade Gwynedd in a three-pronged attack" So G got big headed, refused to pay his "rent" and so Henry invaded. Then "Gruffydd was obliged to pay homage to Henry and to pay a heavy fine, but lost no territory." - of course he "lost no territory" it's not *his* anyway, he's just minding it for the King. And in case you missed it the king is King Henry I of England, yep this Gwynedd is England now. Pbhj (talk) 02:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
