Talk:Grue (monster)

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[edit] Typical exchange?

To someone who has absolutely no idea where the term "grue" came from and first reads this article, the "typical (rather circular) exchange" lacks context. Is that a typical exchange in the game? A typical exchange among hackers joking around? A quote from an online joke or comic perhaps? For that matter, I know full well what a grue is and I'm not quite sure. Jdavidb 15:44, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Content

Much of this article appears copied from the Zork games. Marnanel 00:05, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

  • Thus the first line saying "A grue is a fictional predator from the Zork series of interactive fiction games by Infocom."

[edit] References to Grue

[edit] Wishbringer reference

If I recall correctly, grues also appeared in the Infocom game Wishbringer, and one task involved getting grue's milk. Was there a baby grue involved as well? Should there be references in this article to other Infocom games that use grues?

If you want to add a section like "List of games with grues" or "Pop-culture references to grues" go ahead. Also sign comments with ~~~~. --Yath 01:00, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. Sorry about the lack of signature - I'm learning, slowly but surely. fsufezzik 21:22, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate grue image

I have an image of a grue from a Zork Zero graphics file. I'm going to upload it. If anyone objects, I would be willing to take it down. --66.91.90.248 02:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

As it's been taken down, why not use a new image, like from the infotater or books? Maybe someone could scan the pic. 66.63.86.156 22:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NetHack

Should NetHack be written consistently as such, instead of Nethack as in the UserFriendly reference?

[edit] GUE

"Great Underground Empire" is spelt "GUE". The calendar in Zork Zero starts at 0 GUE, presumably when the underground empire was built. The resemblance to "Grue" is a coincidence, I think. Alex Dodge 04:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] D&D appearance of Grues:

The article is worded such that it appears that Grues first appear in Dungeons and Dragons in third edition. This is not at all accurate, Grues are a historic AD&D monster. Grues (originally at least) filled the role of evil elementals. They are discribed in: The Planescape Monstrous Compendium Appendix (1994) on Page 50, and The Monster Manual II (1983) on Page 72. The Monster Manual II entry is especially interesting as it indicates that Grues were incoporated into AD&D lore very soon after their initial appearance in Zork.

[edit] description of grue

in the game "zork: the undiscovered underground" you will be the first human to see a grue, and there is a little description how he is looking. maybe this is usefull to complete the article, so if somebody trys it out...? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.235.119.226 (talk • contribs) 11:06, 7 January 2007.

Actually, that statement is incorrect. Undiscovered Underground incorrectly states that the character is the first person to see a grue. The statement is incorrect because you also get to see a grue in Wishbringer, and probably even Sorcerer and Spellbreaker. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.176.135.5 (talk • contribs) 08:41, 26 February 2007.

[edit] Voltigores

Reminds me of the blob-like critters in Half-Life that live those dark underground tunnels. Need infra-red gizmo to see them properly, IIRC. Bastie 19:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Voltigores. They swarm in the Opposing Force sewers and have excellent night vision, unlike the player. Bastie 03:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cite tag

I am going to pull the cite tag unless there is serious objection. There is no doubt that "grue" is notable enough since it is as well known in computer and gaming culture as 3 strikes in baseball. It is also unlikely that grue is going to show up in any peer reviewed journal. This tagging of decent articles really needs to be tempered with a bit of reason. Keith Henson (talk) 15:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

The alternative is to put this really decent article up for deletion. I am inclined to do that since it would have a welcome home at Wikia. Comments? Keith Henson (talk) 05:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Who says that it can't be used in both? This is the Internet. If you have a banana, and I copy myself your banana, we have a banana each. You said that reason is necessary for making the decision, which it is, and that reason speaks for this article, so let us leave it be. --Kizor 18:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, as I said (in not so many words) in my succesful request for adminship, guidelines are just that - means to an end, and means that say in big letters right on top that they can give incorrect results and should be ignored when there's good reason to do so. Trying to make all-inclusive, no-thought-required legislation beyond the core principles in a place this chaotic would be madness. --Kizor 19:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cite tag since June

I deleted the cite tag as above. If there is a cite for Grue in the academic literature it hasn't been found in 6 months. This is one of the article that Wikipedia will have to live with primary sources or delete it, which would be a shame. Keith Henson 13:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Remembered that there's always this. Put here for later integration.

And though I'm on the wrong continent to find it personally, there's a thesis called: You are Likely to be Eaten by a Grue: How Computer Games are Consuming Modern Culture --Kizor 08:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, the documentary which features the song It Is Pitch Dark is starting to be imminent. --Kizor 22:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)