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Please sign comments. Thanks, Steven McCrary 16:24, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Ideas for Additional Topics

  • The difference between the original script and the movie
  • The real real town vs the film town
The real real town has its own Wiki topic already...


[edit] Italian remake

Can we add something about the Italian remake called e gia ieri, and featuring stalks instead of groundhogs? Magic Pickle 17:04, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

"In the original script the author envisioned the character going through the same day for thousands of years." AFAIK, the movie could still take place for thousands of years, although it likely does not. Bill Murray's character once says something like: "Well, it only takes about half a year to learn it correctly.", but there is no way to tell actually how long the time loop lasts. It probably lasts for several years, but there is no way to be sure...

Considering all he reads and learns I think a long time frame is possible. Probably not thousands of years though. I could maybe see a hundred years however. There were also small hints remaining that Rita was experiencing "something", in least a little bit. For example in the "perfect day" he tries to create she says "this feels very familiar do you ever have deja vu" and in the last repetition she accepts his "I love you" even though(as far as she knows) he doesn't know her that well in that day either. (And elsewhere she dislikes him saying he loves her without knowing her) I don't think she was going through repetitions, but I always got the sense a few of them did sense a little something without knowing what. Especially the bartender who seemed somehow "knowing." Anyway it's still Groundhog Day in my time zone so I just watched this film a couple hours ago as I do every Groundhog's Day.--T. Anthony 04:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


For example in the "perfect day" he tries to create she says "this feels very familiar do you ever have deja vu"..... I dont think it hinted that Rita may have some memory of the past days.It was meant as a joke for what Bill Murray was doing in the scene.He was telling her how things will happen after so and so minutes insid the Restaurant.It was a light hearted comment on that. My personal opinion is that at the maximum four-five years had passed in the time-loop.Ofcourse as the Movie doesnt' show the precise timing you can guess any no. of years.But considering how much he was able to learn four-five years seem a fair guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.50.103 (talk) 17:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] the poster being in a thumbnail

I'm just wondering why is the poster on the infobox in a thumbinal view? the thumbinal frame totally doesn't go with the frame of the infbox.. it doesn't look so pretty.. --Amr Hassan 16:57, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

OK, I'll remove it.-Steven McCrary 17:08, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

The final section of the article on the "Development of the movie" needs to be rewritten for better style.

MicroBio Hawk 20:53, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I sorted out the final section a bit, although I'm not sure the last sentence on where the Groundhog celebration actually takes place is really necessary. Also I changed the title on the reviews section and moved it to the bottom of the page. Jezze 21:03, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Annual

In the first paragraph, I don't think the movie indicates that this is an "annual" assignment. It seems more like this is Murray's character's first time to Punxsutawney and that he's not dreading this as an annual assignment, but indignant at having to stoop to covering it. Tajmahall 22:15, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually the first paragraph says the celebration is annual, not the assignment. However the film states this is the third year that Phil Conners will be covering the celebration. Cheviot 22:45 13 January 2006

Yeah, he's one of the station's top journalists, and he doesn't want to go out to the middle of nowhere to film a silly tradition of a groundhog waking up from hibernation. 81.232.72.53 01:53, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Um, no.
  • Nan: Sounds like a lot of fun. You must really enjoy it; this is your third year in a row, isn't it, Phil?
  • Phil: Four, Nan. Four.
Also,
  • Phil: Then it's the same old schtick every year. The guy comes out with a big stick and raps on the door, they pull the little rat out, they talk to him, the rat talks back, and then they tell us what's going to end.
It was his fourth year in a row, and he was very familiar with the job. --Kjoonlee 09:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rating

Removed rating from the main article as it does conform to the Films Wiki Project guidelines. --^BuGs^ 19:10, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Bugs, seems to me there is still a great deal of debate about the inclusion of ratings. I am reverting the edit. Steven McCrary 21:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I added my comments to the WikiFilms page.

[edit] Influence on other films and television series

Many editors have claimed that Groundhog Day influenced various films and television shows without providing a citation for that influence. One such claim is this edit, which says Groundhog Day influenced a Star Gate episode. In absence of a reputable source, it seems more likely that the other films and television shows were actualy influenced by Camus' The Myth of Sisyphus. I will revert that edit but look forward to somebody providing sourced claim of the film's direct influence. The Rod 00:47, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

In the DVD commentary, the director, Peter DeLuise, says, "As will become clear, ... O'Neill and Teal'c are caught in a short-term time loop, à la Groundhog Day, which was the inspiration for this episode."
—wwoods 06:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Great. Please cite that DVD commentary in the article. The Rod 19:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
"In absence of a reputable source, it seems more likely that the other films and television shows were actualy influenced by Camus' The Myth of Sisyphus" how do you figure that? a lot more people watch movies than read philosophy. --dan 06:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ned Ryerson

This edit talked at length about a guess about the origin of the name Ned Ryerson and that guess' subsequent debunking, indirectly citing this page. The post is apparently interesting to somebody, but it is not encyclopedic. The Rod 03:00, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "12:01" and "12:01pm" links

"12:01" (1993) and "12:01pm" (1990) are very similar to "Groundhog Day", with one person repeating the same day over and over again. They are worth a look. Here are IMDB links to the two films: [12:01] [12:01pm] 24.195.241.149 00:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)Bennett Turk

There is now a wikipedia page for 12:01. Groundhog day, an urban legend about lawsuits between the two films, and the general belief that 12:01 inspired Groundhog Day if it wasn't a direct rip-off are included. It should be referenced to provide a balanced view. Lkchild 00:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Lauren Child

[edit] References bug?

Is it just me or does stargate show up twice in the references section? --Kjoonlee 19:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks to info from Wikipedia:Help desk#numbered footnotes. --Kjoonlee 03:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Usage in the UK?

Auximines deleted a comment I added some time ago, that UK usage favours the meaning of Groundhog day as something repeating itself, saying this is Nonsense (in his summary of edit.) I don't agree, and dug around the web for some examples. Here are a couple of links from BBC news articles which show it is in common usage:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/5388176.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/blog/4456111.stm

The following from Collins dictionary (as of 21 Dec 06) gives a US or Canada annotation for the Feb 2 meaning, but no annotation for the repetition meaning.

http://www.collins.co.uk/wordexchange/Sections/DicSrchRsult.aspx?word=groundhog%20day

I have put the comment back in edited form.

This discussion is here because it was too long to summarise in the edit summary. 81.178.119.63 21:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed from article

[edit] Remake

According to a private interview with director Tom Shadyac, he has stated he "will think about remaking Groundhog Day". He has also considered having Jim Carrey play the main character. When asked why he wanted to direct he mentioned "Groundhog Day is such a great film. If we are able to reinvent it for today's standards and show it again to modern day audiences, that would be a fantastic goal!" Jim Carrey has not yet commented on this suggestion. {{fact}}

I took this out not only because it lacks references, but to me it seems like borderline nonsense. "today's standards" and "modern day audiences"? Standards have not changed much in 13 years. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 10:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

So the director suggested he was interested in remaking a film about repetition. Sounds like the director was joking to me (if he actually said what was quoted). sheridan 22:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] theme?

The "theme" section seems to seriously smack of original research. While all of that stuff is true, none of it is verifiably from a third party source - this is not a venue for essays. I am considering removing the whole section, or at least greatly shortening it.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 05:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I deleted it, it was entirely either a) rehash of the plot summary or b) original research/synthesis not drawn from third party sources.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 00:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I Got You Babe

There seems to be some confusion as to what exactly is playing on Phil's alarm clock radio when it goes off at 6:00 AM. The song is "I Got You Babe" by Sonny and Cher. The specific lyrics that are sung (just before the DJ banter) are: "And put your little hand in mine / There ain't no hill or mountain we can't climb" which come just before the song's last chorus. This song plays exactly the same every time the alarm clock goes off EXCEPT for the last time when he wakes on February 3rd. On that day, although the song is still "I Got You Babe", the tune begins at a different point in the song. The DJ's joke about this: "Not that again!" "Hey, that's a great song!" See the Wiki page for "I Got You Babe" for more details. Captain Infinity 02:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] music

It would be nice to have a treatment of the music. We talk about the S&Cher song. Jake 05:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I think a previous version of the article mentions the tune Phil hears which spurs him on to learn how to play piano, and the tune he plays at the party, but it seems to have been revised out of the current version. If I have some time I'll look over the history and see if I can find it. Other than that the music seems pretty unremarkable. Your mileage may vary, of course. Captain Infinity 07:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
The piano music he heard was Mozart's Piano Sonata No. 15. The tune at the party I don't know about the party, but one of the practice tunes is a variation (I think) on Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini. --Kjoonlee 23:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed additions

I removed this

Although it previously states that there are 33 repeats of the 'Groundhog Day'. There are considerably more. On the 31st day, when he is convincing Rita, he mentions several of this deaths ( car wreck, being blown up, stabbed, shot, poisoned, frozen, hung, electrocuted and burned). Several of these deaths are not scenes in the movie but should be counted into the number of days. This along with the "8 slaps", bring my total of Groundhog days to 46.

as it is written in first person first off, and secondly is unneeded. Not sure what the "8 slaps" refer to and are the already counted? RoyBatty42 04:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

The 8 slaps means the slaps that Rita gives to Phil after his attempt at making the perfect day. I don't know if they are counted either. But the only interesting number is how many repeats we see any part of (which might be 33, I don't know.) We KNOW there are lots and lots of other days we don't see, and we have no idea how many. So it is not interesting to count how many are referred to (IMHO). --81.178.116.105 08:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, for the card throwing alone, he says it takes something like six months, so we can assume that there have been at least a few hundred days. That said, I agree that the exact number is unimportant. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed, reading this, and indeed the article that this was still here in a bizarre manner "The film depicts 33 different repeats of Groundhog Day)." whith a spurious bracket at the end. I removed this - the number of days is inaccurate anyhow and adds nothing to the article imho. Hope everyone is okay with this... --Baston1975 17:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Agree, best thing without any sourcing that makes said 33 depictions relevent. RoyBatty42 18:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Details from the film

Isn't this simply trivia? Nshady16 14:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

My first thought too. 99.230.55.34 (talk) 21:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trees not in Poems for Every Mood

I have 3 of the poetry books "Poems for Every Mood" and Joyce Kilmer's poem Trees, is not in this book. In the movie, Phil is holding "Poems for Every Mood" but trees is not one of the poems in the book.



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[edit] 12:01 Groundhog_Day

  • 12:01 has a very specific introduction; until that introduction is repeated here, this is an advertizing tract.

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[edit] Without this sort of comment in the introduction, this is an advertizing tract:

"12:01 PM" is a short story by Richard A. Lupoff, which was published in the December 1973 edition of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction. The major plot device is a time loop or time bounce, and bears great similarity to that of Groundhog Day, which was released in 1993. Lupoff was "outraged" by the theft of the idea, but after six months of legal advice, he dropped the case against Columbia Pictures.

The story was twice adapted by Hollywood, first in 1990 as a short film, and again in 1993 as a television movie. Lupoff appeared in both films as an extra.

Main article: 12:01 PM (1990 film)
Main article: 12:01 PM (1993 film)

Thank You,

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"... does from daily lessons, though the original script had February 2 repeating for ten thousand years.)"

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Groundhog_Day_%28film%29&diff=188818223&oldid=188758405 >.

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[edit] tiptopbistro

This has also closed down... (see website tiptopbistro dot com) 85.227.226.235 (talk) 20:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Phil Conners is Phil the ground hog

This movie is very popular and I would just like to clear up the plot line. Both of the phils are trying to decide if the next day will be winter or summer; one literally and one metaphorically. So therefore the day cannot go on with out a decision. Could someone right this into the plot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.230.152 (talk) 05:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

No, because that would be original research. — Val42 (talk) 00:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)