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Contents 1 Great performances 2 Controversies 3 Editing for POV content 4 real or fake? 5 What about the camera? 6 Skewed background info 7 Appropriateness of including Charlie Russell's critique 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Grizzly Man Poster.jpg

[edit] Great performances

It is amazing that the reality of the actors and actresses of this movie which are bears' performances deserve an academy award except the director.

??? - Kevingarcia 07:06, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversies

The article mentions "controversies such as claims of fictitious interviews". Does anyone have any information on this? The Singing Badger 23:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

• I just watched the 30 minute special last night. There are no claims of :fictitious interviews: discussed in the special. I've removed the phrase. -- MisterHand 14:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editing for POV content

"There is an another tragedy in this film that is seldom discussed. The bears suspected of killing Treadwell and his girlfriend were ultimately exterminated. Fear of man is the only thing keeping these wild animals from extinction. Treadwell made it his career to help bears to overcome this fear. It this the legacy of a man who selflessly gave his life to the study of wild creatures, or is it the legacy of a man who selfishly inserted his own life into their world, only to lead to their destruction?"

This is rather blatantly the biased opinion of a contributor, rather than supportable fact. As a matter of fact, the entire article could use a real solid editing.

I'm removing this paragraph.

Furthermore, even though this is no longer relevant since it's already been removed, but just in case someone feels like putting it back: The "Bears suspected of killing Treadwell and his girlfriend..." bit is just wrong. To the best of my knowledge, they only killed one bear, not several, and that particular bear was found near the campsite AND they hauled Treadwell's and his girlfriend's remains out of said bear's stomach, so it's not as if the bear was just "suspected" of eating them, it was confirmed. (I suppose it's theoretically possible that some other bear killed them and then this poor patsy bear came along and ate them and paid the price at the hands of the evil humans, but c'mon.) -- Captain Disdain 03:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• Ultimately, public awareness is about all that Treadwell was capable of contributing. His lack of scientific training and discipline is evident throughout his footage. Criticism abounded that his films lacked any scientific depth or merit. Treadwell continued to disregard such comments, and instead produced films that contained more tittilation than genuine scientific content.

Again, nothing other than opinion and speculation (no sources quoted for any supposed facts, such as widespread criticism of the film's scientific merit). I'm taking this out.

[edit] real or fake?

I am just wondering why this page does not reflect the theory that Herzog has faked this movie? I have never found actual proof of this, but I have found sources that have this point of view. Herzog's work often blurs the line between fake and real, and there were several indicators during the movie (such as seemingly fake testimonial interviews) to at least warrant a mention, even if the mention is that the theory is out there. Without mentioning this, the article is far from comprehensive.

Here is a link to one article that explains things pretty well.

http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3140/6609/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.163.232.99 (talk) 20:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

If we do, it should only be a brief mention, as this is one of the dafter conspiracy theories. Treadwell was a real person, and his death was announced on TV and in newspapers years before Herzog's film was made (e.g. see here). The coroner is definitely creepy and weird, but that doesn't mean he's fake, and he [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1538469/posts is a real person too]. If 'Timothy' was an actor, Herzog would have had to engage in about a decade of media manipulation beforehand to convince the world TT was real; and if Timothy is real but still alive, where is Herzog hiding him? Cop 633 01:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Without ending up in a debate about how plausible the theory could be, I agree that it should only be a brief mention, like I said, even a mention of the fact that the theory exists.

Go for it. :) Cop 633 14:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Disagree. Unless it has any grounds, this is no place of speculations. SSPecter ^talk ♠ _{15:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)}.

I believe that if the sources suggesting the film to be faked are legit then it is worth a mention. However, as mentioned, Treadwell was a real person and to have faked the entirety of events shown in the film and get away with it would be nearly impossible. I do agree that some of the interviewees seem like actors, especially the coronor and Treadwell's friend who had ownership of the tape of his and the girl's deaths. --Bentonia School 08:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What about the camera?

Does anybody happen to know what brand and type of camera Timothy Treadwell was using? Fortinbras 19:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Skewed background info

In 2003, at the end of his thirteenth visit, he and his "girlfriend," (it is disputed that she was his girlfriend however this needs verification) Amie Huguenard, who was deathly afraid of bears and was lured on the trip under false pretenses (that she could leave when she wanted) were attacked, killed and eaten by a bear.

Has anyone else heard about this? Seems a little skewed, not to mention unsourced. 68.92.39.170 09:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like nonsense. In the film, it's stated by several people that she was his girlfriend. And it's stated that she'd been to the park with Treadwell twice before the fatal trip. I'll remove this passage as its unsourced. Cop 663 11:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appropriateness of including Charlie Russell's critique

Regarding this, I thought that mentioning Charlie Russell's view is quite appropriate in this situation because he is one of the very few people who can be said to speak for the occupation that Timothy Treadwell was pursuing. He and Treadwell knew each other and traded notes about their respective yearly adventures. He has also been the subject of his own documentary recently, called "Edge of Eden". I think that his misspelling of certain words is quite beside the point. I can agree the argument for quoting a smaller part of what Russell says, but I think that his views are more relevant than those of most of the film critics quoted. Esn (talk) 01:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Grizzly Man Poster.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)