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[edit] Title

Is there a difference between bump and grind dancing, dirty dancing, grinding, grind dancing, booty dancing, and freak dancing? If not, we need to choose an appropriate title for this article. Housing returns zero google hits, even if it is the correct title. Freak dancing appears to return the most relevant hits, but that term may be used more by the media than by the people who grind. Your thoughts? --Viriditas | Talk 02:16, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Urban Dictionary

  1. Grinding: 15
  2. Freaking: 12
  3. Freak dancing: 4
  4. Dirty dancing: 1
  5. Bump and grind: 1
  6. Grind dancing: 0
  7. Booty dancing: 0
  8. Houseing: 0
houseing has a result now, i just checked --insertwackynamehere 22:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Yeah, and its probably this talk page...--Vox Causa 23:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Google test

  1. Freak dancing: 7,140
  2. There are no results for houseing in the context of house music or dance, other than the two wikipedia entries (this article and house music) you created that have been mirrored. --Viriditas | Talk 1 July 2005 10:33 (UTC)


hmm at my high school its called grinding but i've heard bump and grind and grind dancing too. I go to an urban public HS in philly if geography means anything :P heh a lot of schools outlaw that kinda stuff, but at our dances grinding and dirty south hip-hop are what they play to balance out slowdancing; its like just a casual fun meaningless dance (some may say thats ironic). --insertwackynamehere 22:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Same. No one really cares anyway, because that's just how it is with teenagers. I was thinking that I should expand this a little today, and I'll get to it. There's no mention of when the guy's up against the wall, and the girl's grinding on him, or when her hands are pressed against the wall like doggy style, and others of that nature. I NPOV'd the section about the tempo ranges a little while ago, and have kept this on the Watchlist ever since. I've always heard it as grinding too. -Mysekurity(have you seen this?) 03:45, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Hmm...what happened to the picture of the couple grinding? I'll just have to see about replacing that. -Mysekurity(have you seen this?) 03:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

We call it "twerking" in the Twin Cities. I don't know if anyone else does. My school just banned it and its destroyed the moral of our entire student body.

Caesar 19:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I've only ever heard "freaking" in NV.

[edit] Reply from Beezly

i'm not sure where to respond to your comment. i edited the houseing page to clarify that it's a slang term, and hence it is different from grinding in terms of terminology. houseing is in use mostly in urban areas in the US, chicago for example. i don't think the page should be moved. -Beezly 28 June 2005 17:25 (UTC)

Please review Wikipedia:No original research. As it stands, the concept of houseing in those terms alone, and your addition to house music, amounts to original research. Houseing is an unknown synonym for concepts that have greater notability, some of which are mentioned above. TTBOMK, there are no primary or secondary sources for houseing. We know, however, that the same definition is used for more common words like grinding, which has been defined on Wikipedia since July 21, 2003 [1]. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names) comes in handy here: When choosing a name for a page ask yourself: What word would the average user of the Wikipedia put into the search engine? The Wikipedia is not a place to advocate a title change in order to reflect recent scholarship. The articles themselves reflect recent scholarship but the titles should represent common usage. According to Wikipedia:Redirect, synonyms like houseing should be made redirects, and since the page doesn't follow naming conventions, the page should be moved to the most common name, which will automatically create a redirect (see Help:Renaming (moving) a page). Arguments against moving the page to the most common name should reference primary and secondary sources about houseing. --Viriditas | Talk 1 July 2005 10:55 (UTC)
Although "Houseing" or "Housing" does not turn up any google hits (besides this article) in reference to a style of dance, the term is heard frequently within the Chicago area hip-hop/house music niche (personal field correspondance and observation). However my correspondance with NYC and other urban area affiliates on either coasts suggest that the term experiences limited use outside of Chicago. Since the information on the page itself seems to describe the general urban sexual dance accompanied with hip-hop, house, and similar style electronic music, the title should be renamed or redirected to the most common word associated with this dance style. Barring that, the article should clarify that the term is affiliated with the Chicago area and be more specific, adding details which would make it distinct from other synonyms such as grinding, freak dancing, etc. -130.126.49.62 5 August 2005

[edit] External links

The article still needs a good external links section. --Viriditas | Talk 06:43, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] music

I added a small subsection to the music section that lists 4 popular songs which are generally played and grinded to. These songs are what I would consider well known to anyone who is aware of current music (they are mainstream) and may help people get a better idea of what the music is like than just a technical description (since they may have heard them before on the radio or somewhere). --insertwackynamehere 23:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Cycle

Perrear isn't anything different from anything else the older generation hasn't agreed with. The parents of the generation that came before me hated the dances their children did. My parents hate the way kids my age dance too. Its a never ending cycle of the same opinion. It'll always be like that.

[edit] Gang grinds

There is not very much about congo grinding, and triple grinding. Generally involves girls in the middle of a grind with 3 or more people. There can be guys in the middle, but no man will be behind or infront of another man when grinding unless they are homosexual.

[edit] Merge

Adding this subsection, since I didn't see any reference to it here. I'm for it. --Ori Livneh (talk)

I am also for it. I can think of no discernable difference between 'freak dancing,' 'bumping and grinding,' and 'grinding.' Dshack 02:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What the hell?

Commonly and particularly at middle school parties, girls are often not comfortable with grinding with boys yet, and prefer to grind with other girls, often in 'grinding chains.' This is not suggesting that they are lesbians, as some may even have boyfriends, but are simply not comfortable with grinding with their boyfriend. In Puerto Rico, the youth scene seems to have a completely different attitude towards this matter as common youth "perreo" parties become part of regular nightlife at a very early age.

This whole paragraph is written in the most asinine tone I've ever seen. "This is not suggestive that they are lesbians"? Do we really need to include this for the one retarded 12 year old that is going to read this page and not figure it out? "as they may even have boyfriends" It sounds like it was written by a feminist/soccer-mom focus group. Last time I checked whether a middle school student had a partner of the opposite sex it didn't necessarily garauntee that they are straight. Does it mean that they are secually active? no, do I see no reason why it should specifically mean they are straight either. I'm going to try and fix this drivel...--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 04:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree, wit the idea, that explanations of inferrrences are not neccessary, however, we could do without the derrogatory language... just get to the point without insulting the writers...to them it was a good piec of work most likely...--Vox Causa 23:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
the general point still hold true, you see girls grinding against each more often than you might simplistically expect due to the uncomfort with a guy. Mathmo 00:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sexual Harrasment

There was a discussion recently about how unwanted grinding is considered sexual harrasment - is this true? PMA 10:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Sexual assault, often referred to as rape, is legally defined differently in each state. In New Jersey, the law defines sexual assault as "the penetration, no matter how slight, in which physical force or coercion is used or in which the victim is physically or mentally incapacitated". Penetration is defined as "vaginal intercourse, cunnilingus, fellatio or anal intercourse between persons or the insertion of a hand, finger or other object into the anus or vagina by either the actor or upon the actor's instruction" (NJSA 2C:14-1). I don't think so, as long as BOTH participants consent. Of course, in PS systems, if one partener is forced against his/her will, Then, yes. Jeff503 19:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
The issue of that statement though is the fact that you are citing a sexual assault law to answer a question about sexual harassment. The latter is universally applied within the US as unwanted sexual advances, regardless of physical contact.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 17:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

Be Careful on this article, I have edited it to reflect homosexual couples, which do exist Jeff503 19:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I found the "his and her" stuff tedious. I've replaced it with a single sentence. Martin 16:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Champeta

A less suggestive variation of this is used when dancing the Colombian-based rhythm champeta.

I removed this. Any dance which has closed position could be considered a "less suggestive variation" of grinding - even Balboa. Also, the champeta article seems to be about a musical genre, not a dance.

[edit] Malayya

Who can write something about Malayya and is this related to Bubbling?

Simon de Danser 19:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)