Talk:Grind (gaming)
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I disagree with this merge.
Grinding as a game design element is different from obsessive play. Although one may be to do with the other, they are not the same. Hyphz 19:22, 26 November 2005 (UTC) Obsessive play and grinding share two completely different objectives. An obsessive player finds "obsessive playing" entertaining because they normally view playing the video game as the most fun they could be having in the moment. Grinding, or a player who finds themselves playing obsessivly with the objective of grinding usually finds that playing the video game is the most productive thing they could be doing, not neccessarily the most entertaining. Grinding is a term of productivity.
- I also disagree with this merge. "Grind" (noun) is a game design element. "Grinding" (verb) may seem similar to "Catassing" at a glance but grinding does not necessarily mean that the player(s) will obsessively play a game. A grinding player may do repetitive tasks in short play periods. --Sensath 23:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Fiesta Online (title system)
Fiesta Online ( free mmorpg ) also has a "Title System" as in the article. It would be nice to have that added in there as well as free mmorpgs need mentioning too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.71.166 (talk) 17:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Stub
Is this really still a stub? It seems long enough for the subject in question.
[edit] Original research in this article
I've put the {{OR}} tag on this article. It contains no inline citations, several unattributed claims (ie "some critics say..."), and the single reference provided at the bottom does not have one instance of the word "grind". --Wafulz 03:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- The reference was for "level treadmill" (page 11). I agree that this article needs significant cleanup. --Mrwojo 03:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
"Poopsocking" seems an extremely unique term. Has anyone ever heard of that? -74.67.238.117 20:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Controversy
I've changed reference to "Players..." to "Players of subscription-based games..." as they are the ones who are financially affected by the need to grind in online games. After all, Game Freak didn't make a single additional penny out of me during the 40 hours I spent grinding in Pokémon Diamond after getting to the Pokémon League, before taking on the Élite Four. (Most of it was done on mundane bus and train journeys.) -Kain (talk) 15:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Runescape Reference Needed?
The article has a paragraph on Grinding and subscription games, then cites Runescape as an example. However, while Runescape may be a very grind heavy game (I haven't played it much personally), I do know that it is also a payment optional game, and that (theoretically) no money is required to reach the highest level. Unless the level cap for members and nonmembers varies, I think that Runescape could be replaced by a subscription MMO, or the sentence be removed entirely. 71.196.29.79 (talk) 04:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wording?
Doesn't the wording/title of the section "Why people Grind" imply or convey that Grinding is some sort of obscure problem or phanomanon? Its a form of play that some people like. Stabby Joe (talk) 23:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
