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[edit] Welcome

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[edit] image rationale

Hey, stop trying to come up with lengthy rationales about how you think an image is fair use. everything is done by a computer which only reads the tag that says it is not formatted correctly. If you dont want to have the image deleted you MUST remove the tag that tells the bots to delete it after a certain amount of time. Since the computer only reads the tag, what you write means nothing unless the delete tag is edited out which i just recently found out. with my album covers i use the following for the summary and it solves everything. (i fill in the other stuff, this is just a guide) you can copy, paste, and fill in.

Non-free / fair use media rationale - NEEDS ARTICLE NAME
Description
Source

scanned from album cover
Article

[[]]
Portion used
Low resolution?

yes
Purpose of use

illustrate album cover for album's page
Replaceable?
Other information scanned from album cover

hope this helps.Grk1011 (talk) 22:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I was actually away from this account for a while to even notice anything about the deletion of images. Greekboy (talk) 21:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Greece Invitation!

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[edit] The Game of Love

I made the French Edition section because without it going from album to album in the chronology of the infoboxes made a loop which never ended.Grk1011 (talk) 21:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Alright I didn't know. Sorry. But I don't think the French edition needs to be in the Chronology. Does it? Anyway, I will change it back. Greekboy (talk) 21:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
The chronology circle was annoying me. I suppose we could just take it out. the other editions dont have their own spot in the chronology so this one doesn't neccessarily need one.Grk1011 (talk) 21:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
That's what I was thinking because the different international editions of "The Game of Love" arnt as important as the repackaged versions of "Iparhi Logos". If the CD is promoted even more, there will likely be many different international versions with bonus tracks. But thats different than the repackaged versions of her Greek albums in my opinion, because she repackages those with new CD-Singles usually. IDK, thats my logic. I am also having doubt's on the French version being released at all. Her new Greek CD is coming out this Spring, and she has already started work on her new International album due out either Fall 2008/Spring 2009. (Prob. Spring 2009). I should actually add that to Wikipedia. lol. Greekboy (talk) 21:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Alphabet

Hey, i now that this isnt the kinds stuff you usually do, but i need some help with the greek alphabet. Ive been trying to add the modern greek to each letters page, but user:EdC keeps taking everything out and demodernizing the letters. he only allows the modern greek pronounciation and spelling of the ancient letter, and he takes out everything i add about how the letters are pronounced and used in modern greek. see this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EdC#Greek_Alphabet Grk1011 (talk) 02:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Whats the exact problem? Reading the discussion is kind of confusing. Can you give me an example? Greekboy (talk) 04:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay well i pretty much find ancient greek disgusting, it just seems weird how they pronounce everything, like bayta instead of Vita. so almost every letters article only talks about the ancient greek aspects of the letters even though the same alphabet is used by modern greek. I would add what the modern letter is today (english spelling, pronunciation, sound) and then it gets taken out by this guy saying im wrong and ill just confuse people. You cant just ignore the modern interpretation of the letters right? It would say lambda is the... and i would change it to lambda or Lamtha is...and then talk about it in modern day greek. idk what do you think.Grk1011 (talk) 03:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Well I think you are right about having a modern Greek section in each article. Ancient Greek and Modern Greek are different from each other, but still use a common alphabet. And you can't deny the fact that Modern Greek is the official language of both Greece and Cyprus. So I would say that it is important information that fit into, and should be found in an Encyclopedia. (Wikipedia) Greekboy (talk) 04:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


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[edit] The Game of Love sales

I think the problem is that the chart has it incorrectly listed as an international album for Greece. Since it was released by a greek artist in greece, it is a domestic album, and therefore sales would be 40,000 according to [1]. For it to be a foreign or "international" release with those sales figures, it would have to be from a foreign artist, right? There are only 2 options, domestic or foreign, and elena is def not a foreign artist. But anyway, you're right with taking out the numbers, as they always seem to be changed without sources.Grk1011 (talk) 15:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

When the album was released in Greece, IFPI charted the album on there International Albums chart and not on their Greek albums charts. I don't know exactly why they did it that way, but thats what happened. Regarding sales numbers, I am talking generally. Since the 90's, IFPI has changed the sales numbers for Greece for all album types. (International, Greek, CD Single, DVDS). For example, at one point Greek albums used to be 100,000 for platinum, then decreased for example to 60,000, then 50,000, then 40,000 (2002-2006 about), then about last year it went down to 32,000. Now IFPI has decided it is 30,000 because of pirating. Thats why I think that Album sales should be out of all the articles, since it could be disputed since fans can get easily confused about the numbers.
The current standing as of October 2007 is: [2]Greekboy:
    • Albums (Domestic): GOLD: 15,000, PLATINUM: 30,000
    • Singles: GOLD: 7,500, PLATINUM: 15,000
    • DVD's: GOLD: 5,000, PLATINUM: 10,000
    • Albums (International): GOLD: 7,500, PLATINUM: 15,000 Greekboy (talk) 22:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, i get it. i was looking at the old numbers, i updated the article.Grk1011 (talk) 22:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the music industry is doing very bad in Greece. Its hard to believe that back when the numbers were high (60,000 or 100,000) artists were getting big certifications (Vissi: 7x platinum "Kravgi", Vandi: 4x platinum "Gia") and now IFPI has lowered it to 30,000 and artists are struggling to even get platinum status. Anyway....what do you think about the album sales in the articles?Greekboy (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, i think we should take them out and only include them if we have a source like from a reliable website or better the record label that could be linked saying that some number of albums have been sold. I also have noticed that unregistered users are always changing the numbers without sources. I can imagine the Greek artists suffering in America too with the weak dollar. I actually bought "Gia" at Newbury Comics, speaking of it, haha. If it wasnt an international release, i would have paid big bucks, like the $28 i spent to buy elena's proteraiotita and euro edition. So back to topic, no sales unless reliably sourced.Grk1011 (talk) 23:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that is the best way to go. There was actually a discussion about this I think in one of the artist's talks a while back. (Maybe 1-2 years ago?) Anyway, it was determined to only keep platinum/gold status but not actual number sales. Greekboy (talk) 23:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good.Grk1011 (talk) 00:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Here you go...

The Original Barnstar
I award Greekboy this barnstar for the many contributions he has made to Eurovision Song Contest 2008 and related articles. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


Congratulations! Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thank you so much Camaron | Chris! It's been fun helping edit and update the ESC articles. Greekboy (talk) 18:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eurovision songs

You're fast. I made Secret Combination (song) like 5 minutes ago, and just finished making some categories and links to it and went back to proof read and i was like what the heck, where did all this come from, haha. I'm gonna make pages for the other songs as well. Good thing they were "uncompleted demos" that were leaked because Kostas Martakis says "you" very strangely in his song, i hope they fix that. So, just to let you know, there are pages to come for the other songs, unless your making them as im typing right now, we'll see. Grk1011 (talk) 21:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

lol. I was logged on and went to my watchlist, and saw you linked the song on Kalomoira's page. So I clicked on it and added that info into it. Good work. ERT premiered the final version last Wednesday (leaked ones were the Sunday before that), so you can judge there about the "you". Although you cant hear much detail in the youtube videos, if you listen to the audios of it there is big differences in mixing and backing vocals for the 2 songs. The audios are on ERT's site and Mad TV's, but in Internet quality. They should be released for purchase before the National Final though. Greekboy (talk) 05:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Hryspa

I responded to your naming question. So, you changed Hryspa's bday back to 1982, meaning she would be 25 or 26, i cant remember, but im having trouble finding out if that is the real year. I believe that there are at least two sources from eurovision and lgr.co.uk, that say she was 18 when she released Tora in 2003, it doesnt seem to work out. Also, you were fixing some Anna Vissi things, the infoboxes on her singles are not the right ones, so if you get a chance, you might want to convert them. I might do one or two if i get a chance. Grk1011 (talk) 22:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Responded on name in her article. Regarding the age, I got 1982 from her website. It says (translate) "....was born in 1982 (Yes, Children are still born...)...". ESCToday first published an article saying it was 1985, and then LGR.co.uk followed. Dont know whats up with that, but I'm assuming her site is right. As for Anna Vissi infoboxes, what needs to be fixed? Greekboy (talk) 22:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
And i responded back. Look at the box for Call Me (Anna Vissi song), most of them are like that. In edit mode it looks even stranger. i dont think that its a template like the usual ones are. Grk1011 (talk) 22:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Your right. I dont know why it turned into that. It used to be normal before. Maybe an old wiki-infobox? I changed the Call Me one already. Ill try to do more if I have time. Greekboy (talk) 22:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

About her age, I'm confused now. Reading her bio more on her site, it goes on to say "Λίγο αργότερα και μόλις είχε κλείσει τα 18της χρόνια, κυκλοφόρησε το ντεμπούτο άλμπουμ της με τίτλο “Τώρα” από την Alpha Records το 2003." What?? So maybe it is 1985? Confusing... Greekboy (talk) 23:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
haha, i guess we'll have to choose one and wait until either eurovision or an interview or something like that. I suppose you could email the webmaster of her website, but i dont know if you'll get a response since ive noticed that greek singers NEVER update their websites. you'd think it would mention eurovision at least. Grk1011 (talk) 23:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I think they will be updated soon for Eurovision. Kalomoira just updated hers with a new look. No English version yet though. Greekboy (talk) 23:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


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[edit] Natalia Germanou

I created the saddest looking stub that ive ever seen for Natalia Germanou. I was sick of the red links. If you could add more info that would be great. Grk1011 (talk) 03:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Next Artist

Maro Lytra seems promising [3]. Grk1011 (talk) 14:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kokkinou

What!?!? If i knew that you were gonna be up until 3 AM sourcing Elli, i would have stayed up. I dont have school this week. I only left because you said you were going to bed. fool, haha. Grk1011 (talk) 17:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

lol. I was, but then I decided to start sourcing since I wasn't really tired. That's why I IMed you alittle after you left. But you already got off the computer. Anyway, I ended up going to school with little sleep, but still, what can you do? I wasn't tired. :p 20:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling

My boss is in the other room, haha. I saw that you changed Ise to Eisai, good. For other words, what do you prefer: Gynaite Tyhea or Ginete Tichea? AIM Express doesn't work here :( Grk1011 (talk) 21:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Apostolia Zoi

Hey there, I believe that EMI Greece is still registered with the name MINOS-EMI S.A. although at the international offices of EMI they refer to it as EMI Greece. So I think it's OK to still say Minos EMI. If you want to check this please see the fine print of any new MINOS EMI release which always read MINOS-EMI S.A. I have changed backed to minos emi in the apostolia zoi article you changed some time ago... Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.122.229 (talk) 21:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Minos EMI is transitioning to the EMI imprint for its newer releases. You can see an example at [4]. The parent company is still Minos-EMI S.A. as you say since that is the name they are registered with in Greece, but now they are moving over to the "EMI" name alone for releases. Its sort of like Virus Music. They are an imprint of Legend Recordings S.A, but they use the Virus Music imprint for releases now (as you know). That is what Minos EMI S.A. is doing now. So from now on and for new releases it should be EMI Music. Greekboy (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I tend to disagree with you. All artists that have been signed to the MINOS imprint will continue to bear the MINOS imprint, and I presume that even when they renew their contracts in the near future they will still be part of the imprint. Peggy Zina's new album Trekse still carries the imprint and its a recent release and so does Chrispa's. The example of Pashalis Terzis you have placed here is not surprising to me because all of his releases have been EMI only. I don't think he has ever been assigned the Minos imprint, like Ploutarhos and many others.

By the way, the article on Virus Music you linked is an article I created last weak :). Also check out my Minos EMI article and let me know if we can come to a conclusion. I would like to know if they have official plans to phase out the Minos imprint by not renewing contracts for the imprint. etc... Many thanks.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperatore (talk • contribs) 06:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes I know, thats why I said "(like you know)" :). lol. Anyway, the examples you give show that both Imprints exist. I had the impression that the new artists (like Zoi) are going to be EMI now. It looks like Zina for example will still carry Minos EMI since she is prob. signed to that contract. But Terzis and Ploutarhos as you say, carry the EMI imprint because they are signed to that imprint. So it looks like both are correct. We just have to figure out which artists are where (for the infoboxes) and also if they are signing all the new contracts under EMI or Minos EMI. Greekboy (talk) 19:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

So I think we don't have any evidence that the MINOS imprint will be phased out. Furthermore I think its no use to discontinue the imprint because thats just a technicality with cd covers/back catalogues etc. If the intention is to get rid of minos then the company would rename itself to exclude minos altogether. But I have never seen such a press release... The official name is still minos-Emi on the IFPI charts. So my reasoning is that the infoboxes should read minos-emi just like the charts read. Now if we wanna make imprint differentiations then I think we should do the same for sony bmg gr artists (epic, columbia etc.) and for the other companies. With regards to Zoi we will have to wait and see as you said. However, i can guarantee you that new artists as of early 2007 were signed to minos......I can only think of Giorgos Veros off the top of my head. The problem is that the international offices use the standard foreign subsidiary naming convention but the greek (domestic) offices use their own registered name. Going with the ifpi registration is what I would do if I authored your artist pages. ttyl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.251.149 (talk) 22:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The way you are doing it "Minos EMI (Minos) or (EMI)" seems weird. Maybe we could do just Minos EMI for artists with Minos and EMI Music Greece for those with EMI. Grk1011 (talk) 02:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ελληνική προφορά-αναπαράσταση λατινικής γραφής

Γεια σου φίλε. Βλέπω αμερικανάκι αμερικανάκι αλλά τα ελληνικά τα χεις σχεδόν μητρική γλώσσα και είσαι και ορθόδοξος χριστιανός στο θρήσκευμα. Εκτώς πάλι αν είσαι Έλληνας τρίτης ή τέταρτης γεννιάς. Αυτό που προσπαθώ δυστυχώς να δίξω σε πολλά αγγλικά κείμενα που συμπεριλαμβάνουν ελληνικές λέξεις, είναι η σωστή προφορά των λέξεων. Το Gh=Γ, το Dh=Δ, από την άλλη πάλι η βραχεία προφορά όπως το Ya=Για, το Yo=Γιο, το Ye=Γε ...και ούτω καθ' εξείς. Αυτό το πήρα κόλπο από την αναπαράσταση της Αραβικής στην λατινική γραφή, (δες: [[5]] πολύ καλό φροντηστηριακό site) . Οι Άραβες έχουν Γ=Gh, Δ=Dh, Θ=Th, στην αραβική τους γραφή βέβαια, αλλά η προφορά είναι ίδια, σαν την ελληνική. Για αυτό και επιμένω με την αναπαράσταση αυτής της σωστής προφοράς της Ελληνικής γλώσσας σε λατινική γραφή. Στο κάτω κάτω δεν είναι και γεωγραφικές τοποθεσίες παγκόσμια αναγνωρισμένες με συγκεκριμένο όνομα/ορθογραφία, αυτό πάλι είναι άλλο θέμα. Φιλικά --Fallacia83 (talk) 19:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Iparhi Logos

First of all if any of you really visited the site you may saw that it has info about To fili tis zois and about her new album so it is updated.I will change the sales.Now about mad.tv i don't know User talk:Panagiotis 2007 04:018, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to gang up on you. I have to try to find the article about the certification. I have posted it before I believe. As for music sale number, I suggest leaving them out completely as IFPI changes the numbers every year now, and it is always disputed. Greekboy (talk) 16:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Should i add a composers section to the Greek Pop template? As of now, its pretty much just gonna be Natalia. Grk1011 (talk) 02:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paparizou

If you have time: [6] Grk1011 (talk) 02:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Porta Gia Ton Ourano

I change the source of the release in Cyprus.If you check the new one you will confused.Why did they put a sample of the song there if the song is already on radio station?Also if you see your source you will see that is the same text from MAD.They didn't change it at all.So 8 April is the release for greece, (talk) 08:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Well if they copied it, then they must have because it was released in Cyprus on the same day. I'll fix everything when i get home from work. Grk1011 (talk) 18:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Lol. I am so confused. lol. But the orig. text is from a Sony BMG press release that was sent out to various sites and radio stations. So if the Cypriot one picked it up, it should mean that Sony sent it to Cyprus too, meaning the release date would be the same. I am not sure though, since there are no good sources for album or song releases in Cyprus. And I am not sure about the song sample either. MAD released a sample I believe a week later after release. Hmm.... Greekboy (talk) 20:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I was saying that since a cypriot radio station said it would be released on April 8 and didnt specify that that was only Greece, then the release date must also apply to Cyprus. Grk1011 (talk) 20:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
hi again you are not in msn so i want to ask you from here.If you check the charts from PGTO you will see that none is updated from 1 march.Do you know where i can find the charts positions? (talk) 10:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
The radio charts right? The site we used to get them from stoped provided the Greek radio airplay charts. Now you can only get them from Billboard.biz with a paid subscription. Greekboy (talk) 20:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
All the things that i wrote are from the first reference but idon't want to add this again and again.

also add this http://mad.tv/news/?id=30030


I'm glad your friend informed you about me. Sony BMG said that the single woudl be available in April on Greek digital outlets and in May the single would be available in iTunes and mpgreek. That's all.--Chronisgr (talk) 01:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Porta Gia Ton Ourano Album

The title was verified today on Kafes me tin Eleni on Alpha TV.They were showing the new Nitro photoshoot and then the reported said that the title of the album is Porta gia ton ourano.She said that Elena was searching a good title and finally chose that.(talk) 08:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, sounds good. I changed it from Porta Gia Ton Ourano (Elena Paparizou album) to Porta Gia Ton Ourano (Album) instead though per WP:MOS. I also moved the song page to Porta Gia Ton Ourano (Song). Greekboy (talk) 17:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


i also found this tracklist which was announced from cypriot pathfinder here is it 1.Aionia zoi 2.Ena psema 3.Porta gia ton ourano 4.Kokkina feggaria 5.Opos ta les 6.An mou pis sagapo 7.An to ksera 8.Trelenomai 9.Parakseni ipothesi 10.Ladi sti fotia 11.Tha maste mazi [Duet] 12.Mi me fovase 13.Se tetoio epipedo 14.An tolmas 15.Se ena nisi

I am editing a page for the album but i didn't post it,should i?(talk) 08:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I saw that too. But since we have a confirmed title of the album, and you are going to make the page, I would post it as "RUMORED TRACK LISTING". We dont know for sure if this is true or not. The album comes out in a month. Greekboy (talk) 18:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

what kind of tracklist should i use? give me a link as example 09:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have AIM? Greekboy (talk) 18:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

what's that?

AOL Instant Messanger. Greekboy (talk) 18:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

no just msn and facebook.Give me an artist's album page to see the tracklist because i have seen many kinds.

What is your email for MSN? And here is a track-list example: 10 Hronia Mazi. But with out the English translation. Greekboy (talk) 18:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Labels

Ok for the main artist box keep the most recent name but for the albums pre 2005, (and some in 2004) it makes no sense to have a release company name/label name ... that did NOT exist. This is exactly how iTunes (gr) does it and it makes sense. You can't say released in dec. 1997 by Sony BMG since there was NO such thing at the time, therefore it could not have been performed by such.

As for the main artist boxes I have observed infoboxes of many other international artists and what they have done is put the different major names on one line which now represents the same company due to corporate consolidations. In any case it's the albums with references to historical release dates that warrant information relevant to their time of release.

I didnt argue the label names in album article infoboxes for older releases (If you see when I made the Vissi album pages, I put Columbia too). I just argued the main singer info-box page like you did with Theodoridou. No need to have Sony BMG/Colubmia (Again, I am talking about the singer info boxes, not the old album ones). It was, and is part of the same company, and thats what the wiki-links are for. (For people to find out information about the labels). Regarding keeping them on the same line, technicality you are supposed to have all the labels on the same line, no years or flags next to them, and drop common things like "Records" from the name. Greekboy (talk) 17:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey Greekboy, I agree completely with how the labels are set up now and your argument makes complete sense (including the artist infoboxes reflecting only one company name). As for years/flags, I have never used flags but I find years very useful.
Concerning "Erota, Den Xeris N'Agapas", I could have sworn I had read somewhere that it went gold (but it was a long time ago- no source) and that's why I had edited it as such. Also I switched it from Heaven to columbia/sony music which again is something I found to be weird, why was it ever on heaven and kept like that for a long time?? I believe its source-musical.gr had it wrong or maybe it was a joint company release...
P.S. A couple of days ago when I wrote these messages to you and grk1011 I thought you guys were the same person lol so my correspondence between you and him became confused so I wanted to apologize for that. ttysoon! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperatore (talk • contribs) 00:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
lol. No problem. But good that we agree. As for "Erotas Den Xeris N'Agapas", did I changed anything in that article? If I did, I must have done it by mistake. It was a Sony or Columbia release I know for sure. As for certification, I have no clue. Greekboy (talk) 19:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anna Vissi

LMAO Big time work on Anna Vissi's Discography which included major complex research about all kinds of corporate buyouts throughout the 80s-90s, but now it is VERY accurate, including CBS records and EMIAL (see Minos EMI) were appropriate, and the appropriate time when columbia/sony kicked in, (which was post 1991). If you have any questions feel free to post on my talk. Beware though I will argue it to death.... jj ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperatore (talk • contribs) 08:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

lol. I see. I will check them one by one later and see the changes. But something that sticks out to me right away is atleast the "As Kanoume Apopse Mia Arhi". I have the covers for it, and it says Minos EMI. Actually I have the covers to alot of her albums, so if you have AIM, you should come online and we could go through it one by one. lmao. EDIT, actually after looking at some, and comparing them with the covers I have, most seem to be wrong. For example, the first album I have with "Columbia", is 1986 "H Epomeni Kinisi", and most of the albums after that until the 00's. Funny thing is in 1989 with "Fotia", CBS was used instead, and then back to Columbia for "Emai" in 1990. Greekboy (talk) 16:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
LOL. I started to write a list of what the CD covers say, and then I realize that most of the early cd covers I had were re-releases in the 90's, hence why they carried the Columbia imprint. But the Minos EMI early ones I have looks pretty old. Greekboy (talk) 16:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
So addicted to this haha... Ok so I wanna clarify that they all represent the original labels historical relevance and thus have. All REissues carry current company information (or should in theory). CBS Records only bought off the rights to Columbia from EMI in 1990 for non-USA/Canada releases, therefore I don't see how any release before that in Greece could have possibly carried Columbia if it wasn't by EMI. (See Columbia Graphophone Company.) I have a few original Anna Vissi CD's in a closet somewhere from the mid 1980's and I remember looking at the CBS logo as a kid lmao. It is very logical that most of your 90's Vissi reissues say Columbia, although occasionally some graphic artists for the reissues might have not payed attention / gotten it wrong by using CBS on the reissues. (Unless your 1989 Fotia is actually an original!)
About your Minos EMI covers, they are definitely reissues from the 1990's- Just think of it the originals were VINYLS and cassettes lmao!!!!! I've seen and maybe have somewhere EMIAL vinyls as well as Minos Matsas vinyls; indeed two different companies pre-1991 Minos-EMI merger. Imperatore (talk)
Yeah, I figured that they were all re-issues. Regarding "Fotia", I think it is the original cover. It says copyright 1989. I don't actually own most of these albums ;), but have the covers on my PC. But here is the back cover of "Fotia" I am looking at, just if you are interested: http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5229/fwtiabackkg3.jpg Greekboy (talk) 19:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Yup, that cover must be an original. As for Eimai it probably is an original as well, because in 1990 CBS had acquired Columbia but it wasn't until 1991 that it became Sony Music....So it may be a rare columbia/cbs release, (which could have only occured in 1990)...please post if possible so we can confirm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.181.53 (talk) 21:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Nope, the "Eimai" scans I have are from a re-release. So they are not original. But everything after 1991 is Columbia until the 00's. Greekboy (talk) 23:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sony Labels Proposal

Hahaha I have a very bold proposal to make concerning the whole label thing.

For Sony BMG releases, example Anna Vissi or Kaiti Garbi, I think we should also include Columbia. LOOOL

My reasoning is as follows:

1. Columbia is still inscribed as an imprint on the back cd covers and on the spine next to the Sony BMG logo and it's just as big.
2. For Kaiti Garbi it would be nice to include it on her albums because it shows a continuity that hasn't ceased yet, and its nice to see that 90% of her career was associated with the oldest name in recorded music.
3. Of course since the marketing today is Sony BMG only unlike in the 90s when Columbia was more up and front, we can just put it after sony BMG as such: Sony BMG / Columbia (and this also respects the order on the spines).
4. As in the Sony Music article there have been talks of a de-merger, so transitioning back to columbia / sony music will ensure more consistency in some sense.

Please don 't be shy to object as I have no other argumentation to bombard anyone with for the moment lol... I just want some input from you guys who created the pages before going on an editing rampage. Imperatore (talk) 01:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, for me, I think the best thing to do would be to make a "Sony BMG Greece" article, and include the history of it in that article (CBS, Sony Music/Columbia, Sony BMG). I think on the main artist page, it should be "Sony BMG" (or Sony BMG Greece, but I dont think wiki likes country distinctions) linked to the Sony BMG Greece page since its the main company. Then on the album pages, include something like "Columbia/Sony BMG" or "Sony BMG/Columbia" like you say, and also link that to the Sony BMG Greece page created. I object to adding the imprints to the main page artist infobox, only because sony bmg greece can change the imprints artists can release under at anytime, and overall, its the same company. For example, Paparizou's first CD was released under "Columbia/Sony Music". Second CD was "RCA/Sony BMG". Now the new cd is reportedly JUST Sony BMG. I don't know if I am making it confusing for you or not. lol. Basically keep the main infobox as "Sony BMG" but linked to a "Sony BMG Greece" article, then put the imprint distinctions in the album info boxes according to each release. Do you have AIM or MSN Messenger? It would be so much more easier to talk through there about this. lol. Greekboy (talk) 03:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Perfect! That is exactly what I had in mind and what I tried to explain in my proposal, but I thought of putting the country in the main artist box only. However your idea is also intuitive provided that a "sony bmg greece" article be created soon. I will be editing the Sony BMG album pages over the next few days by adding ".../ Columbia" ; "../ RCA" etc. If there's anything else let me know so we can freely chat on MSN Messenger! Imperatore (talk) 21:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Good, we agree on this. lol. But wouldnt it be easier to make a Sony BMG Greece article and then add the ".../Columbia", so you can link it to the new article? This way you dont have to do double work later on. As for adding Greece to the main article, I will look into wikipedia's policy on country distinction to double check if its allowed or not. Other than that, u will be I think everything looks good. Greekboy (talk) 22:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
"Wikipedia's policy on country distinction"?? So there's actually a rule/policy to this issue? Can you please be a bit more specific as to what kind of policy / criteria you will be researching as I'm kinda....intrigued lol. (I'm a wikipedia newbie.)
Well I think I remember reading somewhere on wikipedia (could be wrong though) that in the info boxes, you are not supposed to really use country distinction. But I may be wrong, so I will look for it and see if such a policy exists. Greekboy (talk) 04:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] HELENA PAPARIZOU NEW ALBUM NEW TITLE

Hi finally the album will have a different title Vrisko To Logo Na Zo.http://www.mad.tv/news/?id=30350 Please move the article again.Panagiotis 2007 04:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

You should have waited. lol. You did the move a bit wrong. The history didnt get moved. Greekboy (talk) 16:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Polymusic

I'm still not convinced there is ownership by Minos EMI, but just the fact that it is distributed by them (like thousands of independent record labels are distributed by the big guys.) Do you maybe have a CD cover from new Efh Sarrh, Takis Zaharatos or others from this new label to make verifications?? Imperatore (talk) 03:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. I will try to look for some covers. I just figure that Pegasos knows what they wrote since they penned the single and work with a couple different Minos artists. And I know that alot of private labels have distributions by bigger labels. Greekboy (talk) 06:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)r


[edit] HEAVEN MUSIC

I was just listening to my Vandi 10XM CD (its the most recent Heaven release I have of late) and it reads distribution handled by Minos EMI (in greek) in the fineprint!!!! Do you have any other very recent releases to verify that this is company-wide and that it doesn't only apply to Vandi's release (which would be very strange). I think this is enough evidence for me to take the liberty to include these details in the Heaven Music and Minos EMI pages. This also serves to reinforce the idea that Polymusic is probably just another Independent like Heaven that is simply distributed by Minos EMI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperatore (talk • contribs) 04:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

It must just be on Vandi's for some strange reason, because I checked Petrelis' latest release and it doesnt mention Minos. I also checked Mazonakis' last CD single, and nothing about Minos either. I also checked Vandi's latest releases before 10XM (Kalanta single, Stin Avli Tou Paradiou and Special Edtion) and nothing about Minos there either. Strange...BUT, I do know that Minos-EMI appears on "Live 2003" since it had songs from her Minos days too. So does the "Ante Gia" single and "Come along now" single for some strange reason. Also "Geia" included a thanks to Sony Music for Natalia Germanou's participation. I'm stumped with this one. Greekboy (talk) 06:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, so it looks like some of their releases are distributed by Minos EMI. After all, they are a private company. I just checked Christina Koletsa's latest release by Heaven, and it says Minos EMI as distributor. Same thing with C:REAL, and Alkistis Protopslatis. But Kalomoira's doesnt have Minos. It looks like the ones that dont have Minos says something like "Kinisis Ixou kai Eikonas A.E." Greekboy (talk) 07:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

To answer your questions about older Heaven Music Vandi releases, they have to include Minos EMI because a lot of the older remixed songs are owned by them, and thus they are licensed to Heaven by Minos EMI for re-release/rework. This is not surprising at all, they are just indicated the original owner who granted license. (ie Spania on Ante Gia is a Minos EMI song.)

I think its pretty safe to assume the official distributor is Minos EMI as of late 2007, switching from "Kinisis Ixou kai Eikonas A.E."

If it is distrusted by a third party there is NO reason to indicate that on album pages of course. However on the Vandi releases where Minos EMI is licensing music, it may be a good idea to include Minos EMI in the album infobox provided that the logo appears on the CD cover somewhere. If it's just writing in fine print (with no logo/branding) then we should NOT include.

P.S.

If your referring to Kalomoira's most recent release, Secret Combination, then it is kinda weird that it says distributed by Kinisis. Maybe its an indicator that the CD had been printed in like 2007! lol

Also probably all Greek record companies are private...

Yeah, its only in the fine print. No logo. So no need to include that. Greekboy (talk) 20:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Helena Paparizou-Nokia Trends Lab

This has been released! Here is an image of the cover from a fan site http://imageshack.gr/view.php?file=w5y8hfcnxpxo58dg5b9j.jpg . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperatore (talk • contribs) 01:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that this cover is fan made. There are some spelling mistakes, and if you look in the fine print it says copyright 2006. Nokia Trends concert took place in late 2007 if I am not mistaking. Also in the bar code, it gives an email address for the person that made the cover. If you can find an online store that sells it, then that changes. But this cover is fan made. Greekboy (talk) 03:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Wow a fan made cover that looks like that??- Ridiculous! lol Anyways I honestly thought there was a DVD and that site which came up first in Google only reinforced my false belief.
PS I got confused since you replied on my page; rest assured that my intentions were to only look here. Thanks for pointing it out though regardless! Imperatore (talk) 04:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Lol. Sorry about that. It's just that some people I talk to on wikipedia don't do the same. :p Greekboy (talk) 07:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
There is no official release Panagiotis 2007 (talk) 10:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
So there's definitely no DVD, however my eye has caught a CD single. This CD might be fan-made as well, but it's most likely a promotional CD for Nokia at best (and therefore not official record discography). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperatore (talk • contribs) 18:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
This is Grk1011 now lol. Yea, i downloaded the cd single you are talking about; its promotional. Grk1011 (talk) 18:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
The CD cover is fan made too. lol. There is a thread in a Paparizou fan club where they make CD and DVD covers for un-released matieral they download online. Very professional looking. The song I think you are referring to is "Ola Einai Mousiki". It was used in the Nokia commercials for 2007 when she was their spokesperson. The song has never been released officially (CD or Digital download), but only leaked via promotional material. I don't think there is a plan to release it either, because as far as I know, Paparizou is not the 'face of Nokia' anymore. But like you said, it wouldn't be an official record discography. Greekboy (talk) 19:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I got it now! Fans making professional looking covers for unreleased material.... well what can I say.. they are very devoted fans!! Imperatore (talk) 01:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)