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[edit] Networks

The networks section is getting out of control. We really don't need an exhaustive list of the channels that show this TV show around the world! Given that this is the English-language Wikipedia, perhaps we could at least limit it to the English-speaking world, but I'd be in favour of it being seriously truncated beyond that. What do people think? Docta247 17:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't the list removed at one stage already? In my mind, really it only need mention the United States and Canada, the two places it is broadcast first. Evil Monkey - Hello 20:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I feel that we should have a list, just as well used to. No explanations, just a list of all the countries and where it is broadcasted at. σмgн gσмg 12:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I deleted one a month ago. In articles for other TV shows, this section is usually deleted per Wikipedia is not an electronic program guide. If you need a bonus argument, Grey's Anatomy#Networks is entirely unsourced, and will quickly become outdated. The entire section should be deleted.

Generally the network the show was made for, and the network of first broadcast (if different) are considered notable. However, a list of all current broadcast networks is not very readable, not uniquely interesting (Does it really matter if it's on channel 27 or channel 19?), quickly outdated, and generally not something you'd find in any encyclopedia.

Incidentally, this issue was brought up previously on this talk page. It's been an issue in articles for several other shows. / edg ☺ ★ 13:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Only listing English language countries is completely biased! The list should all stay or all go, and in my opinion it should all go because it violates policy. -- Wikipedical 23:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the direction this talk has gone (though I still don't think English language networks only on the English language articles only Wikipedia is biased, but...) and I have been WP:BOLD and removed the networks. I suppose if anyone disagrees they'll have to voice their opinion here :-) Docta247 06:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DVD release dates

I should just shut up at this point, but DVD release dates aren't that encyclopedic either. Non-notable, and Wikipedia is not an online sales catalog. / edg ☺ ★ 21:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] someone should add this part to the page which was deleted by some racists!

[edit] Racial diversity

The show is drenched in self-conscious Political Correctness, so it is silly to aver that the show's producers pride themselves on the fact that they used a "blind-casting" technique, ^{[citation needed]} resulting in a racially diverse cast. The writers carefully chose the specialty of each doctor as an important analogy to their character and foreshadowing of their development, which adds a layer of complexity to the show. ^{[citation needed]}

This show has one Asian female actor - Sandra Oh, as a physician which is considered to be quite a change. Because most of the time, Asian actors are only given roles of nurses, medical students, etc; even though there are large amount of Asian physicians in the US. According to the 2002 census, there are 8.6% physicians are Asian Americans, only 2.4% physicians are African American. ^[1] For example, NBC's TV series ER which started in 1994, it has hired many Caucasian and Black actors. The only Asian female actor Ming-na only lasted for a short time. In the year of 2007, ER has never had any Asian male actors as doctors.

Further, the Asian female doctor - Dr. Cristina Yang was in love with a black doctor in this show, this kind of Asian-Black love relationship is quite rare in any TV shows or movies, even in the year of 2007.^{[citation needed]}

I'm going to remove this from the main page becuase there are no references anywhere, the tone is personal, it's centred around one character (not the show), 'quite rare in any TV shows ...' is opinion. Also, grey's anatomy isnt that diverse. Main characters - 8 White, 2 Afro-Americian, 1 Latin Americian, 1 Asian. (67% White) ER, for example has (taken from their Wiki) 5 White, 1 Afro-Americain, 1 Indian (71% White). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.102.9 (talk) 15:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] a possible compromise

I think this is useful information. Inclusion of discussion about racial diversity in a cast/show that has a lot of it does not seem at all "biased" to me. (Biased towards what, anti-racism?) However, I do understand the concern that the information on Christina's character seems to veer off topic from an article about the entire show. So, to the person who posted the information on Christina, what about moving the information to Christina's article? Mlewis2 (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I should add, "seems to veer off topic" because there is no similar information for any other character presented. Mlewis2 (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

No. I expect the commentry to be balanced, but it is simply way off topic. There Yes, I agree to mentioning the random allocation of roles to actors to varying ethnicities (if you can find a reliable source). But the discussions here are simply one's own private research, seemingly framed to present one's own opinion. Wikipedia is not the right place.

I would support Mlewis's suggestion of moving the discussions to Christina's article, but only if you demonstrate the issue has attracted enough attention to be noteworthy. Protestors complaining about the allocation of roles in Miss Saigon was noteworthy. A rant in a college newspaper or political rag to an extremely limited audience isn't. Kransky (talk) 22:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I won't support it - the whole passage is actually vandalism and needs to be excised. A "racial diversity" vandal has been attacking both this article and ER (TV series) with this type of shit. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Detarder)} 01:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Still trying to discuss this

Since this keeps being reinserted so much, lets go point by point (again) as to why this doesn't belong here.

You keep REMOVING valid citations every time to revert to your prefered version. Why? What is the purpose of replacing a cited version of the first few comments with a whole bunch of 'citation needed' tags? How does that help to improve the article at all?
You keep posting the section with a lot of 'citation needed' tags. If you know it needs citations, why not go find some? You've been trying to get this information in the article for 4-5 months now... surely if there were any reliable sources to backup the notability of these additions, you could have found them by now, and added them in.

As has been explained before, Wikipedia requires reliable sources to include this kind of information here. And you still don't have any yet. Until you find some (and after wasting 4-5 months pushing in the same information without any, I'm assuming you can't), please stop adding your point of view and personal criticisms to the article. --Maelwys (talk) 15:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, your latest revert shows that you actually read this page at least, even though you don't respond here. Instead of just mindlessly reverting and calling me a vandal, why not come discuss these things and see what we can work out? Obviously, you've addressed the first argument, by no longer removing the citation. Unfortunately, that brings up a whole new problems, because now the paragraph appears self-contradicting. If the actors were blind-cast with no attention paid to the colour of their skin, then why is it at all notable how many of them are of each ethnicity, and which of them have romantic storylines together? That's like me flipping a coin a hundred times and then commenting on how the coin was made unfairly to the queen (or president, or whomever) because her face only appeared 35 times out of one hundred, so obviously there's some conspiracy to hide her from the world. If it's random chance (as the article claims it was), then the way that the random results compare to the real world is entirely non-notable, because there was obviously no malicious intent from anybody. --Maelwys (talk) 16:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Americans have a real complex about racism and racists... Who the hell cares of which race are the actors?? Just watch the show! I don't care if I see a black, white or asian actor, I just want to see a good show... No one should care if all actors are white or if all are black, asian, green or anything... Come on, is it really that important?? --201.253.246.73 (talk) 01:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Music

The full list of music link doesn't work. It should be removed or corrected so that it links to a page that does contain this information. There are several external webpages containing this information. Lamillsap 01:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

There was missing a link for french band LOS CHICROS appearing in Grey's Anatomy through a remix of their song "Back In The Wild" by Greenskeepers. Here is the link of their wikipage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicros —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbbiaggi (talk • contribs) 21:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Specialties

When in the show did it suggest that:

(a) Izzie is interested in Neo-natal Surgery (b) Meredith is interested in Neurosurgery

Because as far as I can tell niether of them have expressed explicit interest in any specialty. Meredith - Neuro??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.35.93.92 (talk) 15:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, Izzie expressed interest in neo-natal surgery when she was assigned the task for looking after quadtuplets in Season 2 under Dr. Montgomery when she first arrived. Meredith expressed interest in neurosurgery during her first surgery to scrub in as well as various other incidents. Hope that helps. σмgн gσмg 05:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

As I recall, Merideth was pointed in the neuro direction by her mother in that episode when she was lucid. Ğavin Ťing 04:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Greys-anatomy-1-cast.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Greys-anatomy-3-cast.JPG

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[edit] Boo-Boos

Season 2 Episode 4, 'Deny, Deny, Deny', where Dr. Burke is talking with Dr. Christina Yang, who is currently a patient. Christina's mother enters the room and closes the cdoor to the room. After a moment or two Dr. Burke leaves the room and the door is open. If nobody else came in or went out, how did the door get open? Additionally, although Mrs. Rubenstein, (Christina's mother), came in through the door it appeared as though she exited through the wall on the opposite end of the room. HotWires (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Info for people who havent seen any episodes yet

I've never watched any episodes of Grey's Anatomy before, and I came to this article wanting to know what "kind" of series it is -- what to expect, such as the kind of humor, the kind of drama. Is it witty and emo like House MD, is it action-packed like Prison Break? But such info does not seem to be here.

[edit] Racial Diversity

There are two inaccurate statements in the racial diversity segment. First, Ming-Na was on ER for 9 years; that is not a "short time" to be on a television series. Second, her character and that of Parminder Nagra, an actress of South Asian descent, have both had serious romantic relationships with African American doctors on ER, so Grey's Anatomy was not the first to explore this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Curious georgianna (talk • contribs) 19:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

No, do tell everyone, how many white males have appeared in ER as doctors, and have you ever seen a single Asian male as a doctor in ER? And have you ever seen any single asian male doctor in ER falling in love with anyone?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.40.220 (talk) 07:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

More importantly, have YOU ever seen a single newspaper or magazine article that has made as big a deal out of this as you are right now? And if so, please tell us where? If nobody has ever published anything making this such a big deal, then it would appear that you're the only person that thinks it is. And if you're the only person that thinks it's a big deal, than it has no place in the article. Since you've been trying to get this information inserted into the article for 4-5 months now, and still haven't provided a single such source, that's why the rest of us continue trying to remove the uncited information from the article. --Maelwys (talk) 18:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

because they are racially ignorant, you think that black people will allow that, if ER or grey's hires no blacks in their shows?! what kind of reaction those producers will get if they do that?! just because asians don't complain, that doesn't mean, it is ok not to hire any asian males! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.229.19 (talk) 23:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Nobody said that it was okay. But an encyclopedia article about the show isn't the place to make your arguments. The only arguments that should be included in an encyclopedia article are ones that have already been made in public, and have been well-covered by the press. But Wikipedia isn't press, and so previously unmade and unreported arguments of bias have no place here. --Maelwys (talk) 23:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

exactly, the fact is loud and clear, encyclopedia is not a place for you to randomly deleting things that you don't like, get it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.32.232 (talk) 03:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the 'exactly' is referring to... but don't worry, we all fully understand how you feel. You've made no secret of that fact. The problem is that people can't just go around writing what they feel into the site and still call it an encyclopedia... at that point it's just an open blog. For the topic to earn coverage in the encyclopedia, you've got to prove that OTHER people also feel the same way. Find a newspaper or magazine article about somebody else that feels there's racism here, and you might have a point. Until then, you're just one person ranting about something that bugs you, and you should go get your own private blog to do that in where nobody can censor you. --Maelwys (talk) 15:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] John Forbs

Can anyone provide a good reference for this fact? I have one website in Australia (http://www.wchannel.com.au/profiles/default.aspx?p=175) that mentions this and a website that bears a strong resemblance to the wikipedia article (http://blog.bitcomet.com/johnmax/post_13335/). I can't find this guy in any Grey's Anatomy material nor on imdb.com. Hughdbrown (talk) 22:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Centralized TV Episode Discussion

Over the past months, TV episodes have been redirected by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [1]. Even if you have not, other opinions are needed because this issue is affecting all TV episodes in Wikipedia. --Maniwar (talk) 23:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Will there be a Season V?

I think this topic should be treated properly. I am very curious about it as, I suppose, every fan of this show is. Thank you!

Maria, 21:49, 21 January 2008

I can't think of any reason why there wouldn't be a season V, other than the writers strike. Apr1fool (talk) 22:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural impact

Why no mention of how they brought the term "vajayjay" into the cultural lexicon?05:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Caracters Relationships .. ?

Why have someone deleted some (or all.. didn't check all..) the character's relationships? I think that we should change it back to the way it was before..! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chattia (talk • contribs) 18:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I would like to see that as it was. Lexhatesyou (talk) 01:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DVD Release is wrong!

Greys Antomy season 3 has NOT been released on Region 2! Im a long time fan STILL waiting! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.167.184.2 (talk) 19:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Language of the "Writing"

"Grey's Anatomy" could be a fairly decent medical show, but the "writers" inject the words "ass" and "pissed off" into the script every 5 or 10 minutes in metronomic fashion. Thus, "Grey's Anatomy" will never be a show of the caliber of TV's other, better medical dramas such as "Ben Casey" and so forth. A real writer isn't so lazy as to fall back on words such as "ass" and "pissed" over and over and over again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.144.129 (talk) 02:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Music Season 4 Finale

Does anyone know the name of the song near the end of "freedom" where they were all kissing? --92.13.44.46 (talk) 19:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC) "The Quest" by Bryn Christopher. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.212.237.50 (talk) 04:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)