Talk:Gretsch White Falcon

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[edit] White Falcon

Learn to spell! it is engraved not ingraved! (65.96.215.116 (talk) 23:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC))

The White Falcon is certainly a remarkable instrument. This article needs to sound less like a sales brochure, however. To that end, I'm making some changes that better reflect this instrument's place in the development of electric guitars. JSC ltd 00:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I reverted the article back to my previous rendition considering your version dumbed down the literacy level too much. NSR77 17:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

You reverted too far back, introducing quite a few errors back into it (notably the neck joint). And JSC is right, the text in general needs some MAJOR help. 216.84.96.34 20:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)Tim Baxter

NSR77, while I can appreciate your admiration for this particular kind of guitar and share your fondness for the Chili Peppers, I must insist that this article leaves something to be desired. For instance, this article should cite some historical material rather than a website designed to sell instruments [sweetwater.com]. If establishing a high-quality article on a relevant and interesing instrument is the goal, we can work together on this piece to make it a fine page indeed. If the goal is to create a hyperbolic ad full of unfounded superlatives, it belongs on a personal website, rather than Wikipedia. The thing about an online encyclopedia that *anyone* can edit is that sometimes people edit articles you create, and sometimes, those people are at least as knowledgeable on a given topic as you are--I know this, because it has happened to me. Obviously, as this article's creator, you have a certain attachment to it. Unless vandalism occurs, however, try to avoid beginning a reversion war whenever you disagree with the contributions of others. I am more than willing to discuss and debate whatever changes I make on the Talk page, as you can see; please return my good faith effort at collaboration in the spirit in which I intend it: to make an informative and accurately detailed article about an interesting topic. JSC ltd 16:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I have revised the infobox by adding complete information about pickups and the body size and material, and correct information about the neck joint and fretboard. I edited the introduction to sound more NPOV. JSC ltd 17:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I think this article no longer requires cleanup. What say you, Tim? What say you, NSR77? JSC ltd 20:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I did some minor cleanup on the text, and I think they came back earlier than '95, but would have to look it up and I'm feeling lazy right now. Other than that, yeah, I think it looks good. Whoever revised the text did a nice job, especially with the different versions. 216.84.96.34 22:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC) Tim Baxter

Thank you. JSC ltd 18:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I replaced the tag for a bit longer. The article still needs a little "poetic adjective" cleanup which leans the article into original research territory. Unless some reputable refs for the poetry can be found(anyone have a Tony Bacon book handy?) How many times does the word "striking" need to be used. And "sparkly" could be "encyclopedia" up a little. The lead-in is the weakest area. Just a tweak here n there and it's done. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 15:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I did some small cleanup and smoothed out a few rough edges. Also, JSC, I apologize for any offense I may have caused you by my last comment; it was unnecessary and uncalled for. NSR77 18:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I think I overreacted. I won't do that anymore. JSC ltd 20:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Some of these text changes continue to be iffy, particularly in the use of adjectives and adverbs. As for "sparkly", gold sparkle binding is exactly that... sparkly. To describe it as anything else would be pointless obfuscation. For what it's worth, I've been a professional writer, and am the webmaster for gretschpages.com, so I do have some credentials on this. 21:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC) Tim Baxter

Any help you wish to spare is greatly appreciated. Thank you! NSR77 17:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable White Falcon Players

For a guitarist to be included on this list, they should be readily identifiable with the instrument. Stephen Stills is a good example. Brian Setzer is right on the edge of being a "notable White Falcon player," because he is much more a "notable 6120 player." James Hetfield? Rich Robinson? I can't find a single picture online of them playing a White Falcon, and they are not closely identified with it; I would say Hetfield is better known as a Flying V and ESP Explorer man, and Robinson now plays mostly a Les Paul Jr. (although I'll always think of him with that battered Tele). Do these guys really belong in this section? 71.215.157.219 22:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Since I see no suggestions/confirmations/denials, I'm removing James Hetfield, Rich Robinson and Dave Grohl from the list of notable White Falconeers. In order to list a guitarist as a "notable Brand-X player," they should be 1) notable [not that Hetfield, Robinson and Grohl aren't notable...], and 2) readily identifieable with the Brand-X guitar. There should at least be pictures. JSC ltd 18:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

erm, just wondered, im a bit silly and stuff, but does one of the people from the scissor sisters playing a white falcon, im pretty sure. also, on a more personal note, happy to see a celebrity demonstration from a guitar god.... :D

[edit] Gretsch 6136

There's a stub article on the Gretsch 6136. The White Falcon's model number (until the late '70s) was 6136. They're the same thing, basically. We don't really need two articles on the same thing. Let's put the model number in this article, and delete the other one. JSC ltd 03:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Update: This article 'already' had the model number (I even put it there myself, silly me). Gretsch 6136 is AfD. JSC ltd 04:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)