Talk:Grenoble école de management

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Contents 1 Ranking 2 Ranking Response 3 Ranking controversy 4 These are the facts 5 The ranking controversy is a fact and does not belong to my personal feelings

[edit] Ranking

Informations dealing with the Grenoble EM are biased. First the Financial Times ranking is highly controversial, being ranked in one category is worth than not being ranked at all in this category. Then an average rank shows that Grenoble EM was on average ranked 8th [1] in France not third ! Sudents coming from 'classe preparatoire' rank it 7th in 2005 [2]. By the way, there is no comparison between HEC, INSEAD and Grenoble EM !

[edit] Ranking Response

The article is factually correct. The Financial Times ranked Grenoble-EM (GGSB) #15 in Europe. The FT rankings are generally very well respected in the UK and rest of Europe. It seems that Grenoble-EM has been making quite the name for itself in Europe over the last several years.

I think the statement "there is no comparison between HEC, INSEAD and Grenoble EM !" is biased itself since there is obviously a comparison and the FT has ranked Grenoble-EM after HEC and INSEAD and ahead of ESSEC, Audencia, ESCP-EAP, EM Lyon and EDHEC. So there is a methodology that they used.

The link you gave was a ranking from 2003, 2004 and 2005. It is now 2006 and things change. It is not uncommon for school to move 5 places from year to year. There was a time when Henley Management College outranked Grenoble-EM on every chart, but not so true anymore. It's what we call academic growth and evolution.

[edit] Ranking controversy

The incriminate FT ranking was released in 2005 and not in 2006. The same year, students, most French newspaper ranked Grenoble EM after HEC, ESSEC, ESCP-EAP, EM Lyon and Edhec. That is why you should not only write "in previous years rankings". For years on HEC, ESSEC, ESCP-EAP, EM Lyon, and EDHEC will probably remain more prestigious, more selective and as long as those business school will remain innovative, their alumni will be on average better paid. Grenoble EM is a young business school, therefore most French HR executives ignore or disconsider this school. That is why Le nouvel économiste ranked it 19th among 40 French business school in 2006. That is to say the "academic growth" is not so evident.

HEC, INSEAD or even ESSEC oustand Grenoble EM. You should compare those schools in term of alumni salary, budget, lecturers reputation, number of research parutions. I wonder how many alumni from Grenoble EM work at Mc Kinsey, the most selective company...compare with INSEAD, HEC and ESSEC. These are the real facts.

Concerning the FT European Master in Management ranking. The Grenoble EM selected programm for the ranking is the Master in International Business. This programm is not representative of all Grenoble EM student as long as only the best student of ESC Grenoble, foreign students and engineers that are to have a international career and therefore be better paid. The mainstream of the students attend the Master in Management, that is why Grenoble EM should have presented its Master in management as did every Business School, then their ranking would not be controversial but they probably would not rank 3d among French business school.

Concerning the Business School ranking, the FT aims to resume five different rankings. But being not ranked only once is better than to be ranked in all rankings. For example the ESCP-EAP Master in Management is ranked 2d whereas Grenoble EM with its (International) Master in Management is ranked 8. But Grenoble EM outranks eventually ESCP-EAP, because ESCP-EAP is ranked several times and Grenoble EM only once: that is quite controversial, isn't it?

I agree the FT is well respected, but this ranking is not reliable.

[edit] These are the facts

Why must his article be disputed? There is nothing in it that is not factual. I challenge the "disputer" on the facts. Regardless of what your personal opinions are, the Financial Times is a well respected institution and they have indeed ranked GGSB #15 in Europe. Those are the facts. If you have other facts, you are free to edit this article, but let us not let personal feelings get in the way of facts.

[edit] The ranking controversy is a fact and does not belong to my personal feelings

This ranking was disputed by most French business school students (including Grenoble Ecole de Management students who acknoledge his lack of relevancy) [3], by the EM Lyon president Patrick Molle himself (cf Challenge 15 december issue) and the press (see Le Figaro "A phony ranking ?" [4] and L'expansion [5] - that are both well respected). Therefore I propose that we qualify the FT ranking as controversial and that we create an article entitled Business School Ranking controversies including other criticisms towards rankings (cf Harvard refusal to cooperate with the press for ranking purposes).