Talk:Greg Land

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Contents 1 Legal Consequences? 2 Photo-referencing 3 "Controversy"? 4 People and Poses 5 Keep this page NPOV

[edit] Legal Consequences?

Have there been any legal consequences for Land due to his..."borrowing" of characters/frames? If so, I think it would be appropriate to add some information to the Controversy section.75.69.110.227 03:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo-referencing

Prove the allegations against Land, or I will remove the reference. Dyslexic agnostic 18:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I know this isn't really a link that will be useful for the article itself but it shows where the allegations come from: side by side comparison. LauraOrganaSolo 12:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

There were references for the allegations, but the references section was broken. It's fixed now, I think the references are strong enough to allow the allegations to remain in the article. Brad T. Cordeiro 18:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I changed some of the wording in the Controversy section. In short, I think the beef against him is that his drawings are so suspect, you can find exact matches elsewhere. Of course, the problem is that I used like three different phrases to say "exact match." I wanted to express how well the outlines and composition match up between Land's art and the supposed references, but maybe I need better words to do so.

The only allegation against Land that can be proven is that he over-relies on photoreferences, which is, of course, plagiarism and something that beginning comic artists are forcefully warned against. The best Wikipedia can do is present the evidence and let people decide for themselves. The evidence against Land, I think, is pretty strong, so I wasn't afraid to use strong words; but, at the same time, we need to avoid using words like "swiped" (much as I thoroughly enjoy that word) or "has been accused," because the evidence against Land is crystal-clear.

("Tracing" is also suspect--my understanding is that a straight tracing from someone with no skill wouldn't achieve anything near Land's work--but "copying," while a bit inflammatory, is closer to the truth. Look at a professional police sketch artist, and you'll see that their sourced drawings match up just as well as Land's do. However, the "@$^!in' tracer" accusation does get thrown about the Internet a lot, so I suppose we should keep it as such.) 67.101.6.29 02:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I humbly request that the fact that Greg Land also traces porn (quite frequently, I might add), not just models and other artists, be brought up in the article. 75.68.69.219 04:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Anyone want to put in something about how the promotional art for Fantastic Four basically looks like Arwyn from Sojourn wearing Sue Storm's costume? 89.138.77.192 23:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Controversy"?

While the "Controversy" section is fascinating, it sites no legitimate sources and amounts to an editorial smear campaign. I'm sure the issue can be more properly addressed by stating that "Many have noted..." or "Some sources show..." with a brief (read: two-sentence) summary of the allegations and external links to the "proof" supporting the issue. I suggest deleting the entire second paragraph (as it contains unnecessary detail with no included evidence), leaving the footnotes as external links to demonstrate the "Controversy". Alternatively, the author needs to cite reliable authority for every accusation. Kingphinger 01:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] People and Poses

Hope I'm doing this right~ hawhaw, wikipedia. If anyone needs some actual printed evidence of Greg's photocopying and tracing of photos, try pages 46-48 of People and Poses by Buddy Scalera. It's a demonstation by Greg Land on how to draw a beautiful woman. Here's part of a paragraph next to the original photo and his traced photocopy, "Make a quick photocopy, enlarging the image to the size you want for your final art. Using a marker, 'find' your character's outline." Yeah, someone else can find and add it if they think it's relevant enough. --Bastet (talk) 19:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keep this page NPOV

It doesn't matter if you HAET Greg Land personally, the sourced "Controversy" section is enough in itself. You do not need to add snide little remarks or re-write the art sources to be a droll "Original" art by Greg Land. Apart from looking dumb, Wikipedia is not a soapbox.

Also, No Original Research. If something can't be sourced from a verifiable outside source, don't add it. Amphis (talk) 10:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)