Talk:Green turtle

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[edit] Diet?

There's not one word in this article about the contents of their diet. That's a big hole. The closest is a reference to where they eat, stripped of any indication of what they eat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.75.203.149 (talk) 09:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rename

Should this be renamed "Green sea turtle"? – Mipadi July 1, 2005 15:52 (UTC)

Outside birds (always caps), there is no hard and fast agreed convention. For example, cetaceans are capped, fish are not. Turtles appear to be capped, so I've gone with the flow. I'll put in a redirect though jimfbleak 1 July 2005 17:06 (UTC)

Okay. I wasn't entirely sure about the guidelines, but go with what you think is most appropriate. – Mipadi July 1, 2005 17:36 (UTC)
Taxobox and text have different genus authors - they can't both be right. jimfbleak 12:07, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

what are the senses and how does it communicate with others of own kind and behave with others of own kinds b davis

[edit] Sleep?

Can someone explain how sea turtles sleep? Thanks. ThuranX 04:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confusion in "Etymology and taxonomic history"..

For someone like me with a high interest, but essentially zero knowledge, the following paragraph is confusing, particularly the first 4 sentences:

The species was originally described by Linnaeus in 1758 as Testudo mydas.[14] In 1868, Bocourt described a particular species of sea turtle as Chelonia agassizi and Chelonia agassizii.[15] This "species" was referred to as the black sea turtle.[16] These two separate species were then united in the same species, Chelonia mydas and were given subspecies status. C. mydas mydas referred to the originally described population while C. mydas agassizi referred to the Pacific population.[17][18] This subdivision was later determined to be invalid and all members of the species were then designated Chelonia mydas.[1] The oft-mentioned name C. agassizi remains an invalid junior synonym of C. mydas.

Did Bocourt think there was one or two species? The text says "one" species but provides two names. I know this probably all makes to someone who knows the subject matter - but it's got me beat. Can we re-word somehow? (a side issue is the the third sentence, which lists the word species in quotation marks, which I think is probably poor format. and does "black sea turtle" actually need to be bolded?). regards --Merbabu 12:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I should rewrite/expand that section. Essentially, Bocourt misspelled one and later researchers counted each iteration as a separate species. I'll see if I can trace the history of the name(s). Honestly, I don't like the bolding of "black sea turtle" either. I'm thinking of either adding a small section on the subspecies/separate species/genetic subpopulation "debate" once I dig up some sources. Shrumster 17:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gallery

While most pics currently in the gallery are worthy enough to keep, it would be better if they were integrated into the article at an appropriate spot with concise but helpful captions. At the moment, they are kind of gratuitously dumped at the bottom, which is not really the point of wikipedia - flickr maybe. ;) kind regards --Merbabu 12:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Except for the fact that the article is actually under construction. (My bad, forgot to put a template.) If you check the edit history, I've stated that the images will be redistributed throughout the article when the revamp is done, which should be in a few days. Shrumster 17:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry - i later saw your notes. It's probably OK to leave them there - although in the mean time, maybe we could temporarily put a couple of the pics into the main article. Ie, while it may indeed be underconstruction, it's in use daily. :). I'll have a look later - saturday maybe. Cheers. --Merbabu 22:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I already killed the gallery and redistributed the pics throughout the article. Just realized...we need pics of green turtles from the Atlantic/Caribbean. All our C. mydas pics are of Pacific ones. Shrumster 22:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Is known to"?

This article says a lot of "is known to" or equivalent. Why should we write, for example, "the distinct Hawaiian subpopulation are known to nest at...". Why not just say "the distinct Hawaiian subpopulation are known to nest at..." There are arguably a few cases where "known" is OK - ie, we know they do "A" implying they could do "B", "C", "D" - but in this example, and others, it seems it isn't necessary.--Merbabu 12:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. That should thin out the text. Article feels bulky as it is. Shrumster 17:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unreferenced additions...

Firstly, I'd like to compliment Shrumster on his mammoth efforts to improve this article (and his outstandingly helpful edit summaries - gold!). He may be sorry to hear, though, that I have removed a newly added section that did not have references. As this is newly added, I am sure the references are near to hand and the paragraphs can be re-added promptly with thorough referencing. Remember, a little bit of known quality, is better than a whole lot of of possible rubbish. sorry and thanks. --Merbabu 13:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Whoops. Forgot to state. The section is actually a summary/lead paragraph of the entire section. I have a cool idea for a reference though. Lemme try it out. Shrumster 17:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and I used the map as a reference for that info. I essentially just verbally described where the major nesting sites/range was from the occurrence of nesting sites from the map. Shrumster 17:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, if your sources were summaries of the the map, just use the reference/s that went into the map. :) --Merbabu 22:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, does this addition come from the existing "Dobbs 2007" citation? thanks. --Merbabu 13:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Yup, got it from the top paragraph of page 10, although there are other "Very High" priority islands I didn't really mention yet. Raine Is. just stood out for green turtles. Shrumster 17:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Green Sea Turtle to Green Turtle

It's not apparent that Green Turtle is overwhelmingly the correct term. Such a move should have been discussed first. --Merbabu 13:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry about that. Went with ghits and personal experience. Green turtle really is the more popular term, including among foreign sources (tortua verde, etc) but yeah should've discussed it first. Shrumster 17:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Late to the discussion, but I've always heard "green sea turtle", not "green turtle". And google hits is a terrible indicator of usage. How many hits are personal websites, "Today, I went outside and found this little green turtle near the pond where I usually fish" type things? The U.S. Fish and Wildlife has it at "green sea turtle" [1]. Although, we could just move it to honu. ;-) Any more thoughts? --Ali'i 14:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
That's the problem with "I've heard." 'cause over here, I've always heard "green turtle." And no, I don't want it moved to pawikan. Anyway, I factored that in the GHit check and still came up with more hits on "green turtle"+"chelonia mydas" (119,000) vs "green sea turtle"+"chelonia mydas" (22,800). And to address that FWS, the NOAA has it as "green turtle." Shrumster 16:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Overhaul

Phew, overhaul more-or-less done. Article is in good shape, just a few more tweaks and it's peer review->fac time! Whee! Shrumster 22:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

YEs, a fine effort. Your referencing is excellent as are your edit summaries. Keep up the good work. --Merbabu 22:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! :D Shrumster 22:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Ok guys, here's the deal with the images. First, the distribution image. It needs to be big enough that the map can be seen and that specific nesting grounds (red and yellow circles) can be picked out individually. A smaller range map will be made for the "just distribution" map for the infobox. As it is, I'm using Firefox with a 1024x768 resolution and the map *does not show*. Same thing with the other PCs around the house. That size must change. Per WP:MOS#Images,

"Specifying the size of a thumb image is not recommended: without specifying a size the width will be what readers have specified in their user preferences, with a default of 180px (which applies for most readers). However, the image subject or image properties may call for a specific image width to enhance the readability or layout of an article. Cases where specific image width are considered appropriate include:

  1. When using detailed maps, diagrams or charts
  2. When a small region of an image is considered relevant, but the image would lose its coherence when cropped to that region"

It's a pretty detailed map, per the first one. Per the second one, the nesting grounds need to be seen within the context of the animal's distribution and the global map itself.

Second, the "breathing" pics. Only one pic really needs to show the turtle "breaking surface". Sure, they're great photos, but they're redundant. Sure, there may be space for both of them in the article but not one after the other. Also, pero WP:MOS on images, text shouldn't be sandwiched between two pics. That's what's happening right now. Oh yeah, and they both don't show either on my browser. Shrumster 15:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I centered the distribution map and enlarged it to 350px. If the size still bothers you, sorry but that's the minimum size that will show on my browser. It's centered so that the image pushes the next sections instead of inserting itself within the next section. Still don't know what to do with the "breathing" pics as they won't show on my browser no matter what I do to them. Shrumster 15:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Removed one of the pics. While the pics are nice to look at, only one is really needed for that particular section. Both pics profess the same general idea and are redundant with each other. Actually, it's not really necessary to even state that the green turtle breathes air any more than the same fact should be in every single whale species article - the sea turtle article should be enough for general physiology of the marine turtles, just as the cetacea article does so for whales. Shrumster 22:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blacklisted reference

Hi. There's a link to gilbert-wesley-purdy.blogspot.com that's been used as a reference in this article. That domain is blacklisted because of major problems with spamming as well as attacks on and outing of a Wikipedia editor; here's a history:

That's why there have been problems with this link. I'm not sure how it's been added back; our software filters should block it, but I guess they don't always work. However, they did work today -- go figure. --A. B. (talk) 18:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed the link as it was preventing the reversion of a vandalism edit. AngelOfSadness talk 18:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This page should be renamed

This page should be renamed to "Chelonia mydas" because it is the currently-accepted scientific name. As for ALL organisms, common names like "Green_turtle" should be redirected to page named for the currently-accepted scientific name. philiptdotcom 21:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC) philiptdotcom 21:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that since that the article states that it is the only species left, the current redirect from Chelonia is good enough. I would think, if anything, that the redirect could be changed to being a page where it links to the extenct species also. Cyborg999 16:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] When did it become Endangered

When did this species become endangered? That's not on there, and thats a HUGE gap, bub. Donutliker4 (talk) 01:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)Donutliker4

[edit] Ŕàèú

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