Talk:GreenPark Business Park

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webjockey 08:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC) Shouldn't this being sprotected?


I won't re-insert the fact about the turbine using power on still, wind-less nights. It is quite possible of course that when the wind doesn't blow, the blades turn by Magic. ChrisRed (talk) 10:04, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Anybody who lives near (or even drives past) this turbine at night cannot fail to wonder how the turbine blades continue to whizz round at full service speed when barely a blade of grass moves and steam rises vertically. I think removing the fact that the turbine consumes power at night is typical of the 'Climate Change Heresy' censorship that seems to be creeping across Wikipedia. I would say that on balance there is no need for a citation for such a physically self-evident fact. So, unless anybody can provide a clear citation that the blades turn themselves by perpetual motion / wizardry / the will of God / voodoo etc, I'm putting it back in. 160.84.253.241 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
...and someone will be removing it immediatley. As you are adding the fact, it is up to you to find a citation to back it up, not everyone else to find a citation to disprove it. Also, for your info, I live near the turbine, and I manage quite successfully to "...fail to wonder how the turbine blades continue to whizz round at full service speed when barely a blade of grass moves and steam rises vertically". 1), they don't - full service speed is fast, and the blades can go quite slowley, and 2) this thing is efficient. It really will turn with barely a gust. So, if you can find a citation to proove that it is powered at night, then by all means add the fact back in. Otherwise, don't. TalkIslander 08:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
See what I mean? I'm surprised there isn't a 'MMGW HeresyBot'. Sorry, I couldn't be bothered. Put it down to 'Green Magic'. BTW if the thing is going round 'fast', then it's just windmilling...when it's generating it needs to go round at a constant steady speed for the alternator to synchronise with the 50Hz mains. Likewise when it is being driven at nights, it goes round at a steady speed because it then becomes an a.c. motor being driven by a fixed-frequency 50Hz 3-phase supply. Oops...sorry...I blaspheme :-) 160.84.253.241 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 09:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
p.s. BBC wind for Reading tonight is Westerly at 5mph becoming South-West at 7mph. I am looking at it now, but I will be going home at 4.45. Please pop out after dark and tell us all (honestly) what the turbine does during this 7mph 'gale' :-) 160.84.253.241 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 10:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

(untab)OK, for one thing, I'm one of these sad people that couldn't give two hoots about 'green' things. Sorry, I feel the media shove it down our throats too much, and it's kinda switched me off to the whole topic. My stance here is purely to keep things factually correct.

This turbine is an Enercon E66. Directly from the stats for this turbine (available here): an average wind speed would be 14mph, not miles above what you cite. The Albany Wind Farm also uses E66s, and states that the minimum start-up speed is a wind speed of 2m/s, or around 4 mph. Lower than that which you state. Also, as for the alternator synchronising - again, do your research. The beauty of the E66 is that it operates at variable speeds: "The turbine operates at variable speed, which means that the blades speed up and slow down with the wind. The blades move very slowly reaching a top speed of 22 RPM in the strongest of winds (which is only one revolution every three seconds).". With older turbines, what you said would probably not be true, but here it is. A constant wind speed is not required. Go away and thouroughly read all this material, and then come back and argue your case - here's a hint, you won't be able to. TalkIslander 12:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Like I said...let's just leave it as 'Green Magic'. The planning authorities obviously swallowed all the 'greenwash', so why shouldn't we?. 160.84.253.241 (talk) 13:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I did see the comments that you've edited out, but I'm not particularly in the mood for a fight ;). Like I said, if you can cite something to prove your point, I'll activley encourage you to re-add it. Until then, we'll leave it as 'Green Magic'. TalkIslander 14:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Yep, same here. I'm not one of those stubborn people who pursues a pointless argument to the death, and anyway I love the idea of a wind turbine that actually makes wind, just like on Tellytubbies. :-) I just hate this idea of 'greenwashing' things, so you have people thinking they are saving the planet by installing solar panels, which in reality make enough power to heat a fish tank. Likewise 'Green Park' with its greenwash name, green windows and gimmick wind turbine. A 180 acre nature reserve or a forest is green - not a 180 acre business park. Best Wishes, Live long and prosper. 160.84.253.241 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)