Talk:Greater St. Louis

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[edit] New St. Louis Metropolitan Counties

As of now, four new counties have entered the St. Louis Metro Area, 1 in Missouri (Washington), and 3 in Illinois (Bond, Calhoun, and Macoupin).

Does anyone have a date/year that these counties were added? "As of now..." doesn't have journalistic shelf-life.Tysalpha 18:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

It was probably sometime in 2004. How easy it is to get a source depends upon how long the St Louis Post Dispatch archives articles in the free section of their site. Jon (talk) 00:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] You are off on your area numbers

Can the below inflamatory discussion be removed, now that the proper conversion of square area has been identified? Tysalpha 18:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

You have St. Louis' MSA's area at 6,395 square miles. That DOES NOT equal 15,000 square kilometers. I have CHANGED THE NUMBERS by using a converter (obviously you people from St. Louis do not have good math or are trying to fudge the numbers like you fudge everything else to make your city appear better) that has accuratley converted the area to be 10,291 square kilometers.

Thanks for the correction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith Cynic783 13:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Please double-check the math. It's true that 6395 miles equals 10291 kilometers, but 6395 SQUARE miles equals 16562 square kilometers. My source is Google calculator. Google for "6,395 square miles to square kilometers" without the quotes.Cynic783 14:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Slight correction: as of 2000 census should be 6,392.07 sq. mi source http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/GCTTable?_bm=y&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&-CONTEXT=gct&-mt_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_GCTPH1_US25&-redoLog=false&-_caller=geoselect&-geo_id=&-format=US-10|US-10S&-_lang=en conversion to square km comes from http://www.unitconversion.org/area/square-kilometers-to-square-miles-conversion.htmlCynic783 15:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clinton County, Illinois

When and why did the Census Bureau add Clinton County to the MSA?--Bhuck 11:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Its been part of the MSA for two or three decades (don't know the exact year they added it). Neighboring Washington County, however, is not part of the MSA despite being located in the 50 mile radius of St. Louis proper (partly due to political reasons, partly due to the fact that county population is only 15,000). Warren and Lincoln counties were added in 2004 due to major growth in those counties. Kimmy78 15:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Washington County is Republican, while the surrounding area is Democratic, but that's a dumb criterion for determining whether it's part of the metropolitan area or not. And the population centers of Clinton County, Carlyle and Centralia (west side), are hardly characteristic of being St. Louis suburbs. Is the definition just "county within x miles with more than y inhabitants"?--Bhuck 16:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
This is over simplfifing, but The Census Bureu compares how many people in a given county work in another county. Jon 18:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rename to St Louis Metro

I have lived in the St Louis area since 1999 and have never once heard St Louis Metro refered to by locals as "Greater St. Louis". I've normaly heard just "St Louis" used when describing the Metro, and sometimes "St Louis Metro" when it was neccesarity to distingth between the city and the metro. Jon 17:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I also note that the template for the metro area is entiled "St. Louis Metro Area" (actually with Metro. spelled out, but I'd butcher the spelling) and not "Greater St. Louis Metro Area" (again with Metro. spelled out). Jon (talk) 00:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Several Missing Counties added

I checked the Census Bureu site, and several counties listed in the St Louis Metro over in IL were missing here. (Perhaps they were just added in 04?). We need a new map that includes them. The map is also missing Washington County, MO which was also added in 2004 but was already in the text. Jon 18:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I have also added an expansion request to the article to have the tables updated to incude these counties. Jon 18:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed there was a section expand tag and replaced the article expand request with a section expand request. Jon 14:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] shouldn't we add a CMSA line?

I was comparing this with the Kansas City Metro Article, and noticed that article also mentions the CMSA and the Micro SA it includes. It seems to me that either this article should include a reference to the Micro SA included in St Louis CMSA or else the Kansas City article shouldn't mentioned its Micro SAs. Jon 18:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)