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[edit] Terminology

The English term "Finland proper" is equivalent to the Finnish term "Varsinais-Suomi" which is a province of modern Finland making ca. 10% of its land area.

Not "Finland proper" but "Finland Proper" means that. Kahkonen 10:14, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I hope you can accept this version. Sorry that I made changes without consulting you first. Perhaps the most concrete changes were the addition of the years in question (similarly to the Finnish text), the emphasis that "Greater Finland" was an imaginative constellation and the switch from "Finno-Ugric people" east of the Ural mountains to "Uralic speakers". I take it that You mean the speakers of the Samoyed languages i.e. Nenets, Enets and Selkups etc ? The language they speak is not Finno-Ugric but belong to the Samoyed branch of the Uralic languages.

Tribal wars? Which were the tribes that fought each other please? What was the unstable situation? Please explain further. Are you talking about the Finnish and Russian civil wars perhaps?

Tribes: fi:savolaiset, fi:karjalaiset, fi:hämäläiset, varsinaissuomalaiset, kainulaiset... I am talking about just those civil wars. Kahkonen 15:58, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Tribal wars is a poor translation, and we need to find a better one.217.30.179.130 11:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

The meaning of the term Heimosodat refers to something like war for the finno-ugric tribes against russian, german, swedish, etc... opressing nationalities. It definately does not refer to a civil war or the actual war of 1918 in Finland between finns. Translation Tribal wars tends to have another meaning, associating with civil wars between tribes especially in some African countries. 84.239.129.42 (talk • contribs)

In heimosodat article we decided to keep name "heimosodat" because there is not established English term for those conflicts. Kahkonen 08:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

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During the Viking Age - for one - the Finnish Karelians fought, with and without the assistance of some Slavic elements, against the Finnish Kvens up north - and as it seems, quite south as well. The Kvens were supported by the Norse, at least from time to time.

Later on the Karelians and the Kvens cooperated against the Norse, and - as the time went on -against the Slavic groups as well.

This at least according to the Viking sagas and chronicles, as well as other historical writings and documentation. If the sagas and other chronicles of the Viking period - or the related history writings from later times - are not to be believed, nor the archeological escavations or the sociological, linguistic or other research, what is then ?

This juxtapositioning and the latest archeological findings and the newest DNA reserch indeed have recently brought more scientists to review the Finnic contributions in the founding of Moscow, Kiev, etc. - among other things.

The electorinic media and the current computer age of ours have helped in the correction work of many myths. - January 26, 2006 -

All this has absolutely nothing to do with the irredentist Greater Finland-ideology of the 20th century. Please do not mix issues. Clarifer

[edit] Question

Why would the Kola peninsula and St. Petersburg region considered part of GF. I never heard of The Kola peninsula in history being part of Finland. St. Petersburg, and Estonia regions are also kinda strange to see Babur^☺ 19:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, they have never been parts of Finland (as well East Karelia wasn't). But, behind of this is so called natural borders (plants distribution, rivers, isthmuses etc), which include Kola and East Karelia. Why Estonia and Ingria are included? Because there live(d) Finnish related people and GF ideologists included them to GF. Yes: article should improved. :-) Kahkonen 20:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)